Can "rape" occur in SL?

It's almost like people here have never been griefed before. And really, that might be the deal - a lot of people in SL do not seem to have as much online background as the populations in other venues. Certainly, I don't blame anyone for lack of experience.

The emotional reaction to griefing here is far stronger than I've ever seen, anywhere, in any game/BBS/chat environs during my 17 years online, even though the avenues for griefing are far fewer and weaker.

It'd make an interesting psychological study.

Actually the link I posted is academic article based on how online and offline emotional experiences are connected.
I have some theories about this. People tend to be single longer, tend to become more isolated, technology often is one way people connect, so emotional experiences when for example a online friend is have problem the concern for that friend is just as real if you knew the person face to face. At least for some, not saying this is way for all. Some people online don't see others as human beings.

acturally there is, with the animations, theres a humping one that attaches you to the avatar body, and starts humping away. even if the other does not ask for it.
ive seen it happen, my sl sister did that to me lol

The primary arguement I beleive to allow Rape Play between Avatars in Second Life is that all parties consent to the activity.

This seems logical on the surface.

Some of the proponents, however, seem to be rather cavalier in their definition of what Consent means, as well as dismissive of any non-consensual activity that is brought up.

I fail to see how this attitude lends any credence to their assertion that the activity of rape play should be allowed between consenting adults. In fact quite the opposite.

Personally, I feel that if participants are free and loose with what consent means, they are simply not going to have enough maturity to ensure that it is granted before engaging in thier rape play.

And any activity of a sexual nature where one of the participants is not consenting, I can not support.

I am quite certain that many rape players would only engage in any cyber sexual encounter where all parties consent.

It seems others consider cybersex and the right to have it with who you prefer such a joke that they do their own side more harm than good.

It is this second group that is going to ensure that all Rape Play remains banned. Becuase the callous attitude leads to the situation where you simply can not guarantee respect and consent will be assured.

How do they leave Linden Labs any choice?

I'd think, "What an ass." I wouldn't call it rape. I wouldn't call it assault. I'd call it griefing. And I wouldn't be traumatized.

Sorry, but I have been in that exact situation IRL, where I did RL freeze, and your assertion does not ring true.

Anything can be a trigger. A song can be a trigger. You might as well ban audio feeds. You can't go about banning everything for fear one person might be triggered by it.

What you describe is griefing and not role play, though. Griefing is already banned. Go after them that way, and leave the people who only wish to play with others who think like them alone.

Seems quite a few here dont even consider it griefing - they instead wish to blame the griefed.

I know, but don't censor me for that.

Imagine if the same happens and they threaten you with a big gun instead?

And I'd rather they shoot me than rob me.
What is the difference, they threaten you in anyway it's the same, just chat and you tp out 2 lines into the conversation.
What if another avatar held a gun to your avatars head for 15 minutes?

Having your virtual genitals cut off would be just a s traumatic as virtual rape?

So how many virtual rape scenes have all these experts watched here, from the dozens I've participated in with random strangers or watched over 6 months, I could say none of them would hold a candle to what I belive would be a real rapist, and my own "pllleeeasee... sttoopp!" etc, etc, nothing like a real victim would respond and the other guys/girls enjoy it that way too, if anything it's damn hard to find someone to do the scene with unless you basically ask them straight up to rape you, and many refuse, because it's not their thing or they don't want to end up on a 6:00pm news affair show. If I started acting like a real victim I doubt many guys would continue.

you are sick in the head. that is the dumbest question i've ever read.

why are you even bothering with a reply. there are people and animals out there that are sexual abused, raped and KILLED. you people are sick.

I have been in real and also online life situations too where the unconsensual stuff has occured and it really effected those involved.
You don't know what I am basing this on. So would I be assuming you think I am a liar and that we should ban all things?
I am not saying we should ban things but truthfully I like to see things enforced when people minding there own business aren't encroached upon with violent and sexual violence. Not have to prove you're the victim or you did something to ask for it. But that is probably too much to ask for.
I don't get any more why someone would think disfiguring, raping someone recreationally adds to betterment of avatars and humans everywhere personally yet I have small sense of why people might do it.
If you want violence in your virtual reality and enjoy raping, being raped great but why should others who aren't be included too unconsensually because some media coverage of your recreation? Also the more media coverage on adult activities in SL means more and more sickos who will join and want to participate and they won't just being doing there activities in areas meant for that. Which means they will be acting there sicko fantasies where ever with whomever regardless of consent.
I don't have problem with anything consensual and what others choose to do if they are adults as long as it doesn't mean I am lumped in with them if I don't want to participate.
I don't want others to assume that is what everyone is doing because its not.
I also been around consensual roleplaying take down scenes. I have nothing against consensual roleplaying situations with caring, mature, consenting adults personally. Though I believe the majority who come here for that sort of play end up being griefers and aren't consensual about it. I don't seek out those situations. I am I am all for freedom but when it impedes my freedom so some one can act there predertorial fantasies when I am minding my own business extremely bothers me. What bothers me most is online people don't always see others as thinking, caring indivuals its all about them and what they want and have no sense of concern for the others they are often inflicting themselves on. When it comes down to it if you don't see me as human but just pixelated represention how in heck do you care about anything except your own perverted wants or egotistical opinions?

I wouldnt get upset. I would laugh my ass off!

A pefect example of the senstivity and intelligence of the average SL resident.
Anyway enjoy the thread. bye

And you are a perfect example of someone who takes this game to seriously. That says something about yourself. I find that pretty pathetic.

Griefing is already actionable. Don't interfere with people who are consensually role playing with each other. That's all I ask.



For pity's sake, most of what goes on in SL doesn't add to the betterment of "avatars and humans everywhere." If that's the standard we're going by, you can cross half the grid off your map from the get-go.



I don't understand what you're saying here.



Your term for people who don't see eye-to-eye with you is broadly offensive.

And if people are blatantly and intentionally intruding on others experiences, again, that is called griefing. And is already actionable. So, leave it at that. People who intentionally disrupt should be dealt with. Good. Leave those who are merely enjoying a consensual activity in a place set up for such activity or their homes alone.



You, the person who wrote this, are human. Your avatar is a cartoon. I'm sorry if that's confusing.

Ok, I'll just leave you "experts" to it since you obviously know what goes on to do with all those "pretend rape" poseballs out there better than anyone who has used them or even observed them in use. Or you have absoloutely no idea what "real" rape would be like. I'd hate to present the other side to make a balanced view to a bunch of prejudgemental one-eyed armchair deluded experts who can't see the differences between real life and Virtual.
Anyone would think a poseball with the word "rape" on it sucks avatars randomly from anywhere on the SL grid, poses & strips them without consent.
Yeah things happen OUT THERE, but not the same IN HERE.
Please specify "replies wanted from one side of the fence only" in future threads........

excuss me?? I wouldnt know what "real" rape would be like?!? You don't know me and I don't know you. I wouldn't want to know you but what if I were to say I have been raped? You all take rape as some kind of sexual fetish. You all are f'ed up. I'm sure the only sex you get is through SL. Pathetic.

You're excused, well maybe it's labelled wrong, but you are trying to tell us SL rape is just as bad as RL rape? You obviously have no idea on what you are trying to ban, what happens on a "rape" poseball in SL IS a sexual fetish, it aint rape.
Perhaps we should ban actors from doing rape scenes too, because it is the same as the real thing and even more realistic than a bunch of cartoons on SL.
Probably the only sex you have is the missionary position (I never refered to you specifically, but seeing you want to lower this down to a personal level).

Thank You, Lorelei.

FD Spark:

I know, but the study I was suggesting was about why a place like SL seems far more touchy and personal about griefing than other online places, despite the avenues for griefing being much more restricted than other places. Not how people relate to their online experiences as a whole.

I could come up with some theories, and if I was still in college I might have chosen it for a sociology topic.


Now this is not an assertion that I would consider to be acceptable in any mature debate, as it is fallacious on any number of levels:

pancake Stryker: