Can "rape" occur in SL?

But seriously, I've never seen sex in any form going on in classic tabletop RPGs.

I've seen plenty, but it doesn't get as detailed as the online variety. The anonymity helps with feeling free enough to do that. However, some of my favorite moments in PnP games have involved sex, and I'm not the sort of person that ever RPs sex for its own sake. It was always heavily involved in the stories and character development.

I've even seen some rape situations in PnP. Again, it was storyline related, and helped to create drama/tension/tragedy, much in the same way as murder.

Of course, my gaming friends were all pretty hardcore storywriters, and took everything in that context. I don't think it'd be possible with the sorts of folks that want to roll dice to see if they get drunk and hit on the waitress successfully while shouting for their Mountain Dew.

Another sidelight on the Great Poseball Question, and not to defend the cad in That Situation:

For a man trying to bed a woman in this all-too-complicated Real Life, the only operating principle that is remotely practical is to proceed until the lady says No, and it is clear that she actually does mean no. With all due respect, all too often, No can mean Just slow down a little, please. Many women, even today, really prefer that "It just kinda happened." Like in the old joke:

She: Oh, please don't park here.
She: Oh, please don't park.
She" Oh, please don't.
She: Oh, please.
She: OH!!!...

A principle all too easy to carry over into SL. So, a naked lady on a sex rug in SL, on a poseball, with a male poseball next to her? And she doesn't say no? Or anything? (And remember, it is an assumption that the owner of the avatar is actually a woman.)

I maintain the guy is a cad mainly because he waited around to boast to the owner of the av, with pictures no less! He's no gentleman! Obvious harrassment! AR him for that!

If I were a Linden I'd give him a suspension, and a stern warning. Pictures?! Feh.

"Ok Milton, roll the 20 sided dice to see if you successfully undo the bra in the first turn..."

Sorry, just had to put that in there!

It still seems to me that we're talking about two very different things here.

One is role play that is centered on or includes rape scenes. All of the places that do this (and yes, I have visited all that I know of and participated in several) make it plainly obvious up front what the area is arranged for. There are note cards about the role play, warnings about what the role play could include, offers to put on visitor titles, etc. Very often, when it seems a visitor is unsure about the nature of the area, a regular will take them aside and ask if they understand that this is an RP area, what RP means, and whether they understand the nature of the RP. If any activity isn't desired by one of the players, it is easy to make this known by ((talking)), IMing, moving away from the others avatar or notifying one of the RP administrators. People who intentionally disrupt others, who harass or are abusive are banned. Over time, the regulars form, often, a tightly-knit crew, all having a decent understanding of each other, their likes and dislikes, their desires and limits. And I know this from having an alt who helped managed one of these places.

The other scenario is someone who apparently thinks its amusing to look for unsuspecting people who are idling and do something that they apparently think is funny, but what the person of the awayed avatar finds offensive. ***This has nothing at all to do with role play.*** For there to be role play, there have to be at least two players; here there is only one agent (the other being away from the keyboard). This is griefing, pure and simple, and has been ARable since, like, forever.

Why are some of you blurring lines between these two groups? Those of you who are down on RP, have you even spent much time in the areas you talk about, or are you making declarations based on what you imagine?

And let's say we do get rid of area's that allow for rape role play. Do you, in your wildest imagination, think that would do anything to prevent the kind of harassment described in the second example?

No. All it does is prevent consenting adults to do as they like together. And the griefers will still go on griefing, same as they've always done.

Virtual rape can and does happen, as discussed on an audio clip.

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Care to clarify that? It's about a rendering of ancient Rome

You were virtually raped by being forced to listen to something about Rome when you didn't want to.

Woopsies.. Link fixed.

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No , but generally is time BEFORE any scene.

No, the people I RP with do not spend time before intense scenes chatting about their computer specs or movies, nor do I think they want to make time to do that. All online RP venues that I frequent frown upon OOC chatter. I do talk with some of those people in IMs through Trillian, but never when we have our characters active and in-world. We have our attention focused on writing well and moving the scene forward, not talking about computers.

no one is blurrign the line. and we have yet to hear from the person regarding her/his location where the act took place. and how is it griefing, if the person puts themselves in that position? yes we agree the guy was a cad( borrowing Har's word here), but if the oppurtunity for him to be a cad was removed, is he still a cad? again, even though he was a jerk for taking advantage of her, she bears the brunt of the responsibility for creating the oppurtunity for him to do so.

responsibility+ common sense x common courtesy = less ARs cloggin up the system.

I'm going with the rule of thumb that taking advantage of someone who is unaware is griefing (in SL, in the RW, it could easily be a felony. But we're not talking RL here). You've been around this mulberry bush more than enough for me to realize your mind is made up and no one can convince you otherwise hrug: Why it seems so important for you to defend the guy is a bit of a puzzle to me, but oh well.

Ahh of course - and your version of roleplay , and its intensity would be appropriate to someone who is a complete neophyte to the activity.

I see.

If its someone obviously skilled they are going to be actively acting out the scene to the point that theres no question whats taking place.

Its someone who doesnt know what they are getting themselves into is the one who might not be consenting.

In addition much RP isnt as you describe. SL is a big place and the RP rules werent handed down from on high. The suggestion might not work for your group. It might help another.

You know, you do have a point here.

The fact that many of the posters here seem to be willing to play games with what consent means-

Doesnt mean people who will respect consent should be punished by censoring their Role-Playing.

i have to wonder why you refuse to see that i am not defendign the guy.
expecting someone to act with some sense is not defending the persons actions.unaware or not it was pure idiocy of her to leave her TOON self like that. if this was in a RW court the judge would throw it out with no more than a slap on the wrist to the offender.

your refusal to see that a person bears responsibility for thier actions in a virtual setting disturbs me more.

Are you arguing just to argue here?

From my personal Vantage-

What you seem not to get is,

That even if she was stupid to leave her toon in that situation. Even if she could have avoided it entirely. Even if it should never have happend;

She still wasnt giving consent. It still wasnt her fault. It was the person who took advantage of her who is at fault.

Of course people shouldnt put themselves in risky situations, of course people should learn both from their mistakes and the mistakes of others.

But that doesnt mean that people who are victims are the ones who are wrong.

I dont know what country you live in, but in the US, in Real life if someone comes up to someone sleeping naked and rapes them and its reported and the person is convicted the judge is not going to slap the offender on the wrist. That person will be going to jail, for rape.

Confessing to supersuckiness ... my partner and I often "sleep" in SL ... avs go to bed and then we talk on the phone till we go to sleep IRL (I *said* it was supersucky!). We wear anti-idles, but they've been known to fail, and crashes happen. This is in our house. Should we not do this any more in case he gets logged out and some creep decides to wander in? I guess the answer is yes, but that's really sad. (Mind you, the poseballs on our bed wouldn't exactly interest anyone ).

Why wear anti-idles? All you need do it this, ensure that your Client and Server menu items are enabled on your toolbar...if not, press Ctrl+Alt+D. Next go to Client -> Character -> Character Tests -> Go Away/AFK and un-X it. After that, you will never go Away on idle.

Seriously? Thanks Livinda!! I've been getting "away" droopy head really quickly since an update or two ago!

Good we'll assume then that's your best attribute in a rational debate then.

At least with voice you can keep cybering whilst driving the truck instead of typing at the lights.

Sorry, you rolled 1, you've fumbled, jammed the clip in her hair and yanked her hair painfully, elbow heading your way, roll your defense roll..........

Hmm, I always used a knock spell for this problem. Or just ask the party's thief to disarm traps and pick lock. (yes I know the new "PC" versions call them rouges, but back when I played, they were thieves.)