Can "rape" occur in SL?

Many RP sims require you to wear a Tag or Titler if you are just observing. Otherwise you are assumed to be participating

I always thought that was a little backwards, since someone who is clueless of the rules wouldnt know they need a tag or titler.

And the sims let in people from outside their group.

then that was your choice. you either a) mapped a friend who happened to be rping at the time or b) the tp points were off. the person who tp'd in the other avatar, and knew the rules is at fault. i have yet to, when my partner and i were looking for a rp sim to pass the time, not been landed in the welcome area of any rp sim and handed the rules of that sim. you chose to circumvent the rules. the rp sim i participate in drops you at the welcome area where the rules are the first thing that are handed to you. if you choose to go around them? you may be considered a griefer. ad or will be either kicked and or banned. im not saying you will be caught right away. but there are those who did follow the rules and will assume you did too. see what i mean by the actions of a few affecting the whole?

To be truthful, if I came across a naked avi on a poseball that may interest me, I would still ask them if they were interested in interacting with me. Just common courtesy. And I think we need to get this conversation beyond this one incident as it goes way beyond it.

i agree.... and yes common courtesy goes along way. but to assume everyone has it is well...


how bout them bears?

Thats all peachy so long as the person entering the SIM speaks the same language as that of rules pop up.

Agreed - I really think the RP sims , GOR, Rape danger sims, Combat zone sims, W/e - really should Opt people out by default instead of opt them in by default.

Currently they give you rules and unless you wear a guest tag or whatever you are considered to be down with everything going on.

But I really think it should be anyone who isnt wearing the right tag or titler is assumed to be a guest.

Would just make sense since it would protect people who didnt read the rules.

For all the technical types involved in Roleplay- I guess their Boolean sense was broken.

Notecards are not rule cards. If there were a way to distinguish between notecards that provided sim rules, and the usual notecards that spam up my computer, then I would accept sim rule cards and reject other cards.

Here is the problem. If you want me to abide by special rules on your sim, then you need to communicate them clearly and effectively. It is certainly your right to create special rules for your sim, but it is also your burden to clearly and effectively communicate those rules. Linden Labs could help by giving you better tools to post and enforce rules on your sim, but really, that's your problem, and not mine, if you are the sim-owner wanting to have special rules.

To assume everyone has it is unrealistic, but to give an idiot a pass because he does not use it and adopting a blame the victim stance is well.......

how about those Jets?

I find it ironic that many will ((OOC )) to brag about their computer specs, or (OOC)) to discuss movies and TV all day long-

But ((OOC)) on something like consent ruins the immersion?

I have agreed with many of the points you have made, but this is one I cannot agree on. If you come onto my land and I hand you a card with the rules for my land on it, then my responsibility has been met. It now becomes your responsibility to read the rules and follow them. A quick glance to see if a notecard is relevant and a minute more to read it, is not too much to ask.

What more would someone need besides a clearly worded notecard? A personal greeter to explain all the rules?

The person who brought up a language difficulty had a point.

I also am surprized that the Opt Out system became the default in SL RP since obviously theres more opt-outs than opt-ins in Second Life.

I personally understand the note card exclusions policy - I get it.

However, I dont really see why that method became predominant.

Especially in sims where when you are participating you have all kinds of floaty text junk over your head anyhow.

Well when voice destroys RP we won't have to worry about it anymore........

What country do you live in where they lock up people base on the potential that they might commit a crime, with no evidence, trial, or commitment proceedings based on medical testimony? Frankly, I think you might commit a crime, so they'd better lock you up!

What? You mean strippers are not suppose to sound like 45 year old truckers who just smoked a pack of Lucky Strikes?

Nobody I roleplay with online will do that during a scene, especially an emotionally charged scene, because it's disruptive.

Any ladies wanting the point low and laugh gesture, IM me in world. I'll send it over gratis.

My only request is that you only use it on actual male jerks, not on some poor unsuspecting soul.

I commented back on page one but just had to add.

How bout them COLTS!!!

If you've ever been anywhere near south Philly -- it's da Philadelphia Iggles!

not giving the idiot a pass, im saying accept responsibility for YOUR actions and the consequences of said actions if your situation turns ugly.be aware that the idiots are out there. i never said everyone has common courtesy, but it also seems comon sense is lacking as well.
for those who consider the pop ups that happen on your screen as "spam" oh well, thats your choice. you didnt feel like reading it to make sure it wasn't spam. instead you jumped the gun and then whined because there's a mecha shooting at you. if you cannot take the time to read the rules of the sim, stay out of it. if people took more responsibility for their actions, and actually took the time to read some of that spam, instead of blindly walking into something, and then flooding LL with ARs because you didnt want to be botherd with all that reading, this might be a minor issue.
and on the RP sim i play on, the sim owners are in the process of translating the rules to the various languages invovled in SL. but make sure you take the time to let those know english is not your native tongue, that can also go a long way to clearign up misunderstandings.

ill take one

Heh. There are cases where I could use that, and I don't even have a female (or gay) avatar! Too useful!

Well, it has a female laugh, so that makes it tricky for males to use effectively

That's what I said. Someone's dressing habit doesn't imply consent. But unlike a miniskirt, wearing only the Eve costume while sitting on a sex poseball in a sex-oriented sim kinda does indicate "I'm here to have fun". Of course, when someone hops onto the seat next to her (which is a poseball in this case), she can still say "Leave me alone". But only if she's at the keyboard. Which is why it's an essentially bad idea to go afk, if one is in the very unusual situation of sitting naked in a sex sim without wanting any sex.

Getting pushy means carrying on after someone made clear that any advances are unwanted. Unwanted harrassment is of course against to TOS. But in order to indicate that it's unwanted, one has to be at the keyboard (and should possibly leave the poseball during a bio break).

I think it would be quite awkward if Jim said to his buddy Jeff "I sneak up from behind, grab you and molest you, ehm, your female sorceress character I mean" But seriously, I've never seen sex in any form going on in classic tabletop RPGs. It's just the wrong place, since one usually plays with friends or even relatives. But in online MMOs, both RP Sex and RP rape play has always been around, already in Ultima Online (and perhaps in Meridian59 before).