lindens latest blog: dob a neighbour

That's fair enough. All that verify have the risk of that information being compromised (or sold, if Integrity's history is anything to go by).

If your employment is at risk (for example, you work for a government agency or something) that is an additional risk that could well be unacceptable to many people.

Then add to the extra complication that giving out such information to other countries is actually a criminal offence... I can see the nightmare that Linden Lab are in.

I just don't understand though, that many porn sites - some of which contain much worse than probably 99% of what you can find in Second Life - get away with requiring a credit card number and "Tick here to confirm you're over 18".

Broccoli

well i think the danger to a 13 year old kid isnt content on sl, its people that are the actual threat. and i cant think of any content on sl that isnt easier found on the web. i think throwing the two grids together and pretending everything to be kid-friendly is a huge mistake.

this isnt about kids at all. this is about data-mining, marketing demographics, and big brother. this is making me ill.

Much of the "mature" imagery in SL is taken straight from the web. Somewhat ironic actually.

Google Image Search is your friend.

Broccoli

The answer to this one is probably simple-

They dont have "7 million users" and the high profile that comes with that.

Look how long it took for LL to get in trouble after they removed Payment Info Verification - nearly a year.


Additionally those places arent trying claim they are mainstream Virtual environments. The next Internet.

Also they dont actively Market a version of their site to Teens, Like SL does.

And Finally they tell you right off their site is about Porn. While Second Life doesnt - Becuase its not really. Its about all sorts of things.

Because those sites know exactly what they are offering, no apologies. If you aren' t interested ,don't go there. And they are only concerned with age verification. LL is not, no matter how many bullshit blogposts they spew.They want a real person tied to every avatar for a variety of reasons. IN MY OPINION.

I like Nina and Colette's answers better.

There is no law agaisnt 13 year olds chatting with adults. In the US the law is 13+ I believe and Dan makes mention of that in the video.

Considering them stating that Disclosure prohibitions WILL be going away, I have to agree,

I suggest we fight this system by swamping it. If everyone files a complaint every time they see any questionable behavior, LL will have to hire so many people to handle the load that it will end up being useless.

Of course, this only works if a very large number of people do this, and at most a couple times each.

Fight the system by using the system! Hopefully they'll see what idiots they're being.

I agree Broc. I am concerned that really this is opening floodgates of teens into a fairly restrictive world. By age verifying we aren't EXCLUDING people - we are ACCEPTING many people into the general population. I shudder at thought of teens in my sl world and have already security "fenced" my properties for the first time ever. In reality SL (which was a creative reality - I collect SL art) is becoming a baby-sitting computer game for homes - and schools - across the world. I am VERY concerned about this aspect - I am suspicious of the words "educational tool" whenever I see them. They didnt do me any good.

Actually, a lot of people noticed things starting to go downhill within a week

Broccoli

Nothing, as long as you don't target that irresponsibility at a person or a group.
How do I know this?

From the DL video:
"You can be an asshole in Second Life, you can just cause mayhem if you want to. But as soon as you specifically target that at someone or group, you’ve crossed our line.
It doesn’t say where that line is , but there’s a concept there….."

If you don't understand this, seek guidance from a parent.


errr .. smile (definitely)

obviously not, but if there is no concern about having 13 year olds mingling with adults why do we currently have two grids?
porn pictures arent the threat, people are. if you look at myspace for example, the stories you are hearing about arent about porn pics. they are about adults arranging meetings with underage people.
how flagging property and whatnot will curtail this behaviour is not so obvious to me. a pedo wont necessarily want to be adult verified, he's there to meet kids afterall. currently the seperate grids make this problematic to him, but merging the two and allowing him to hang out with the kids is going to be pedo paradise for him.

Does that apply to the Lindens as well. Some may argue they have targeted a specific group for their particular brand of mayhem.

Wednesday's mayhem doesn't actually target a specific group... it targets everyone.

Broccoli

Ironically I travel around the world a lot. Many countries either require or "encourage" (Australia) you to get a local driver's license if you stay more than a month or so.

As a result I presently have valid IDs for 5 countries plus my home!

I have several more expired ones.

In a couple of places all of the information on the DL was filled in by me by hand and simply stamped by an official - NO check was made of anything at all!

Isn't it nice to know we have such foolproof safeguards!

so who's up for Third-Life? =]

*PREEN* is a trademark of my client, Aimee Weber. Also part of her intellectual property ins the *PREEN*Slut brand, as are the *PREEN* Nun, *PREEN* Girl and *PREEN* Femme lines. This list is not exhaustive. The ongoing use of the terms "preeeen" and "preeeen sluts" represents a potential infringment on my client's intellectual property. These terms are derivative of my cleints copyrighted material and constitute dilution of my client's brand name within the SL market. PLease cease and desist any infringing use immediately, remove all products, and terminate all groups with the name "preeeen."

In addition the risk of potential association of my client's *PREEN* with broadly offensive activities banned under the TOS mandates clarification that Aimee Weber, *PREEN* and related entities and business do not endorse any activity that violates the TOS/CS agreement. You are dangerously close to libel here, please retract all statements immediatley and send $1500 Linden to Jake Reitveld immediately so as to resolve this unfortunate situation.

Thank you for your courtesey and prompt attention to this matter,

Jake Reitveld.

It just took RL 12 months to get involved

I dont agree with it - I was just stating what Dan Linden's (and he was speaking for LL) stance is.

The reason they have seperate grids is all the adult contnent that was in SL at the time the teen grid was made , and still of course.

Dan seemed not to think that this was not the way to go he mentioned that he "didnt like how the teen grid was done", thats there were "all these walls" and "Content doesnt exchange back and forth".

He seemd to think there were several ways to control bringing teens to the main grid.

It seems being easily offended is broadly offensive as well .

Well it is nice to see the Police blotter being updated with actions taken. How many abuse reports do they receive each and every day (accrding to Daniel Linden if I remember correctly he was talking of 5000). Well yesterday how many acted on 6.

And any check of the blotter shows that greifing is covered, (presumably several people report that each time). account abuse, ocassional harrasment and anything affecting a Lindens Sandbox.

Everything else is discarded.....so why the suggestion always being made....use the abuse report system..... There is no effective report system.

Jake, by putting your client's brand into the same context as offensive material without prior association, you might find yourself in an actionable position yourself. You'll have to sue yourself or something to figure that out though

Well I’m getting fed up of all this diatribe on what is adult, and what is mature, what we should allow and what we shouldn't allow, when we currently have a situation of Mature and PG with no discernable distinction between the two. The same will happen with Adult and Non-Adult so I don’t see what all the fuss is about. If there are no guidelines to follow between the various categories, we might as well have 1 standard for the whole grid.

It reminds me at the moment of the film censors turning round to the film community and saying “we have a Standard, but we are not giving you any details. You will just have to guess what we have put in it”.

In a sense that is true, because they do keep track of the decisions they have made. If they can collect the precedents in a way we could look up, it would be very useful. If anything ever keeps them from doing this, it is likely the way some hotheads go off on things they don't know about in the forums and in the blogosphere.

What would be even more useful would be for them to find a way to turn into a common carrier and get out of the enforcement business.