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Malachi Petunia
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05-11-2007 00:23
From: someone
It is child pornography. THE DEPICTION OF SEX WITH A MINOR is the definition of Child pornography. I have already posted an ABSOLUTE definition in a previous post.
Believing that there are absolute definitions regarding any human endeavor is foolhardy.
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alice Pinkerton
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05-11-2007 00:23
From: Atashi Yue
You are the one criminalizing thought Alice, not me. Please answer the question about the pixelated gun okay?

I never mentioned a pixelised gun.

that was your statement not mine.
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Atashi Yue
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05-11-2007 00:24
From: alice Pinkerton
Yes...I am totally arguing that ANY depiction of sex with a child is wrong.and I am proud of it. to say that no child was hurt "in the process" is to presume that you are somehow able to be involved in the process...when in actual fact you werent.
Is there anything to say that either of the adults in question werent looking at child porn whilst they were doing it? no... we cant presume that. and I still stand by my statement that if you allow people to act on their fantasies regarding having sex with children, you put children at risk.


Oh wow. Now Alice knows what you're looking at and when. Well, we must presume that all who are involved in SL sex are looking at taboo things when they do it right? I mean, they could be..so let's BAN it.
alice Pinkerton
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05-11-2007 00:24
From: Jalestra Calamari
We also can't presume they WERE looking at child porn.

How does this put children at risk?


You dont see child pornography as putting children at risk?


you have a SERIOUS problem!!!

Sicko
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Io Zeno
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05-11-2007 00:24
From: alice Pinkerton
It is child pornography. THE DEPICTION OF SEX WITH A MINOR is the definition of Child pornography. I have already posted an ABSOLUTE definition in a previous post.


Actually, it isn't and I've been letting you slide on this.

Child pornography under the law is photographs or video of real children engaged in sexual acts or nude. It has nothing to do with drawn, written or computer generated images at this point in real law.
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October McLeod
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05-11-2007 00:25
From: Io Zeno
I disagree with this anaolgy.

To agree with it means there may be a time when having sex with children is ok. Raping children, actually, since no child can consent to sex.

Gay sex is between two consenting adults.


I'm saying you can't use the "most people think it's wrong" arguement to dictate law.
Atashi Yue
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05-11-2007 00:27
From: alice Pinkerton
I never mentioned a pixelised gun.

that was your statement not mine.


From: someone
are we really meant to look at secondlife and say... hmmm I need to go and buy some more pixels for my pixel to sit her pixel down on because it would go well with the pixel and pixels I bought from that pixel the other day? no... Im sorry to be froank here..but that is utter bullshit.
No officer...thats not a gun its just molecules....


Just molecules Alice.
alice Pinkerton
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05-11-2007 00:29
From: Atashi Yue
Oh wow. Now Alice knows what you're looking at and when. Well, we must presume that all who are involved in SL sex are looking at taboo things when they do it right? I mean, they could be..so let's BAN it.



I didnt say I knew what you were looking at and when. I did however state that we cant be 100% sure that no children were hurt in the process. Neither you...nor I were there for the process and thus dont know.
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Io Zeno
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05-11-2007 00:29
From: October McLeod
I'm saying you can't use the "most people think it's wrong" arguement to dictate law.


No, but a lot of law is based on nothing but that. What we think is just plain wrong. Sometimes what we think is wrong changes and for the better. Other times we are right.

There is nothing wrong with saying, most people find raping children wrong. They do and and without such moral compasses society would turn very ugly very fast.
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alice Pinkerton
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05-11-2007 00:29
From: Atashi Yue
Just molecules Alice.


Molecules are not pixels.
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Teresa Boyle
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05-11-2007 00:29
From: alice Pinkerton
Is there anything to say that either of the adults in question werent looking at child porn whilst they were doing it?


I've got a feeling that YOU were looking at child porn while you were writing this nonsense. Expect the thought police to knock on your door shortly. I can't allow people to go around looking at things with impunity!
Atashi Yue
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05-11-2007 00:31
From: alice Pinkerton
I didnt say I knew what you were looking at and when. I did however state that we cant be 100% sure that no children were hurt in the process. Neither you...nor I were there for the process and thus dont know.


Adult over 18 grid mean anything to you?
October McLeod
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05-11-2007 00:31
From: Io Zeno
No, but a lot of law is based on nothing but that. What we think is just plain wrong. Sometimes what we think is wrong changes and for the better. Other times we are right.

There is nothing wrong with saying, most people find raping children wrong. They do and and without such moral compasses society would turn very ugly very fast.


Perhaps, but in any case I don't want to take this thread into a side tangent.
Jalestra Calamari
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05-11-2007 00:31
From: alice Pinkerton
You dont see child pornography as putting children at risk?


you have a SERIOUS problem!!!

Sicko


Excuse me..I was asking how 2 adults in SL is harming children...don't call ME a sicko...I've never watched Lolita or read the book...but while we're into depictions...go to pervertedjustice.com and tell me if THEIR depictions are pornographic? They're pretty sick, but they are posted where everyone can read them. It is known by the police in several states and the military. Yeah, I think this is a case where the depictions are good..parents need to know there ARE these kinds of sick people out there, waiting to prey on your little one.

I'm not the one ruled by emotion, only by facts.
Atashi Yue
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05-11-2007 00:31
From: alice Pinkerton
Molecules are not pixels.



Nice squirm Alice. Not working though.
alice Pinkerton
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05-11-2007 00:32
From: Teresa Boyle
I've got a feeling that YOU were looking at child porn while you were writing this nonsense. Expect the thought police to knock on your door shortly. I can't allow people to go around looking at things with impunity!



Ok thanks for your time. Its unfortunate that you guys cant seem to have a debate without it getting like this. Enjoy your conversation people. I hope you manage to sort out your problems and no one gets too hurt in the process.
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October McLeod
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05-11-2007 00:33
From: alice Pinkerton
Ok thanks for your time. Its unfortunate that you guys cant seem to have a debate without it getting like this. Enjoy your conversation people. I hope you manage to sort out your problems and no one gets too hurt in the process.


You're the one who's admitted to consuming child pornography.
Jalestra Calamari
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05-11-2007 00:33
From: alice Pinkerton
Ok thanks for your time. Its unfortunate that you guys cant seem to have a debate without it getting like this. Enjoy your conversation people. I hope you manage to sort out your problems and no one gets too hurt in the process.


Pot meet kettle, I asked a question YOU called ME names and told me *I* had problems.
Io Zeno
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05-11-2007 00:34
From: alice Pinkerton
Ok thanks for your time. Its unfortunate that you guys cant seem to have a debate without it getting like this. Enjoy your conversation people. I hope you manage to sort out your problems and no one gets too hurt in the process.


You know what, Jalestra was right, about YOU.

You are completely illogical and without any argument beyond yelling at people. You contradict yourself and don't make any sense. You can't seem to grasp simple logic or analogy. You are just a ball of fury without much reason.
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Jellin Pico
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05-11-2007 00:34
From: October McLeod
That's a dangerious standard you're presenting there my friend. Many people (perhaps even most) consider homosexuality to be wrong/sick/etc. There was a time when most people considered blacks to be subhuman. The majority cannot be allowed to dictate what is right and wrong. Mob rule cannot exist in a free society.



Now reply to my entire post.
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Jellin, you are soooooo FIC! Fabulous, Intelligent and Cute
Atashi Yue
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05-11-2007 00:36
From: alice Pinkerton
Ok thanks for your time. Its unfortunate that you guys cant seem to have a debate without it getting like this. Enjoy your conversation people. I hope you manage to sort out your problems and no one gets too hurt in the process.


We are the ones with a problem Alice? I don't think so, it's you with your thought police attitude that is the problem.
Jalestra Calamari
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05-11-2007 00:37
From: Io Zeno
You know what, Jalestra was right, about YOU.

You are completely illogical and without any argument beyond yelling at people. You contradict yourself and don't make any sense. You can't seem to grasp simple logic or analogy. You are just a ball of fury without much reason.


That's all I was saying...everything goes haywire when someone jumps on the emotional rollercoaster.
alice Pinkerton
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Actually...nah... Ill stay a bit longer.
05-11-2007 00:49
From: October McLeod
You're the one who's admitted to consuming child pornography.


You have clutched at a very distant attempt to make an argument there. I have never claimed to have consumed child pornography, that was your (very weak) attemot at a link...not mine.
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Atashi Yue
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05-11-2007 00:50
From: Jalestra Calamari
That's all I was saying...everything goes haywire when someone jumps on the emotional rollercoaster.


This thread was nothing but an emotional rollercoaster. RL and SL folks, figure out the difference.

"Hey I just got shot and killed in <blank> sim, I'm gonna call a lawyer!"
alice Pinkerton
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05-11-2007 00:51
From: Jalestra Calamari
Pot meet kettle, I asked a question YOU called ME names and told me *I* had problems.


You made a statement where you asked how chiold pornograpghy was harming children. Im sorry, but if you cant see that, then I will continue to label you as someone with problems. I am sorry for calling you a sicko...I think that it is terrible that you think of child pornograpghy as harmless. I should not have reverted to calling you names. That was uncalled for.
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