Well, I guess Ageplay is now Officially banned

Well you know not many feels the same with your views......sorry but if i was your child i surly would be worried.......

Why is it that these types that are always fights the rules and laws always acts and tries to be smart. More less they had some exposure military seems to come in to play here.

Please have warrant before trying to take a quote out of a thread remark. Otherwise you really look bad.

Simple... it should be dealt with as it has been dealt with. It is not acceptable to have this kind of behaviou...and thus anyone caught doing so will be banned.

In other words criminalizing thought that you don't agree with. You know the Soviets and Nazis outlawed thought that they didn't like too.

So sexual acts between two adults (as they were stated to be by LL) are to be banned.


Interesting. Sodomy is illegal in many US states. I forsee new AR's soon.

No, you are arguing that your feelings are correct and theirs are not.

I don't believe that any unreal depiction of children doing anything should be against the law. That is MY belief about it. I do understand the arguement that pedophiles may find it exciting but psychopaths would find WoW exciting, we can't censor the world to protect us from crazies. As long as real children arent involved, I want my speech protected. Not because I want to see sexualized images of children but because real art is threatened if you go this route. The book Lolita would be banned as child porn if that logic is followed.

But I do believe that people who engage in this sort of thing in SL are, in the main, pedophiles or those with that tendancy. There may be exceptions but who else would want to have sex with an avatar that looks seven years old?

I do agree with Linden Labs decision. They aren't the government and allowing this to continue without restraint creates an atmosphere that will cause it to increase. It is extremely offensive to a lot of people and can seriously hurt them as a company. They have millions of dollars given to them by investors on the line.

Nope... I also dont have problem with thought I dont agree with. Im not sure that you are understanding me. so I will type this slowly...

it is a point of criminalising the sick individuals that think that fantasising about having sex with children is ok.

No nazis...although I think I would like them banned too... no soviets... I think they are ok now... we are allowed to like the soviets again arent we?

No offense, but please learn english before you attempt to debate on an english speaking forum.

So sexual acts between two adults (as they were stated to be by LL) are to be banned.


Interesting. Sodomy is illegal in many US states. I forsee new AR's soon.

Fantasy is thought. Thought is not deed. Some will act on a thought, many will not. In a free society you can not criminalize thought, no matter how distasteful it may be.

No! You're taking it out of context.
Earlier, they define minor as a real person. It does NOT apply!

And you accused someone else of playing semantics!

YEESH!


Huh?

Actually, I'm not arguing my feelings are correct and theirs are not. My emotional response is the same as Alice's. IT"S SICK AND IT"S WRONG.

I am arguing that the facts do not support their emotional appeals. I'm arguing that emotions should never overrule the truth. I could care less about LL's decision one way or the other, it doesn't affect me.

I have a child av. That child av is ONLY worn when in the PG sim in which I live. I would irate if someone was to ever proposition me in that form. However, the right to not go to jail because of your thoughts trumps my emotions on the issue.

To be clear here, I completely agree with everything you said except your first sentence.

yes... some thoughts are never acted on..however all actions require thought.. you may not be able to criminalize thought but... ( and so the ferriswheel comes back full circle) you can criminalise the depiction of child pornography and sex with children...which is a good thing wouldnt you agree?

Actually anti-sodomy laws were struck down by the US Supreme Court.

Well, no one is putting you in jail, heh. I don't think anyone will go to jail in this country any time soon over this. If the FBI can't make a case without a ton of real child pornography to back it up, they know they will probably fail in court with fake images. It's not like it's difficult to find, anime is all over the internet for sale.

The only people that may go to jail over any of this is the person who uploaded real child porn.

When did I say that sexual acts between two adults should be banned? I have never made such a rediculous statement. I myeself have had sex with another adult...(on one or two occaisions..and might I add...have never been banned, nor feared being banned from anything).
I have been actively defending the rights of adults to have sex... its just when they want to simulate having sex with children that I start getting my back up.

Are you suggesting that it should be ok to simulate sex with children?

Personally, I fight for this because there are a whole load of lies, misinformation, opinions represented as facts and ignorance being spewed on this subject and I do not like it when an innocent group is vilified because of the actions of others and puritanical fervor.

Individual counties even? Check it out.

"C) such visual depiction has been created, adapted, or modified to appear that an identifiable minor is engaging in sexually explicit conduct."

An AV in Second Life is clearly identifyable as not a real human being, therefore status of minority does not apply (because it's, you know, not a real person). Also said AV can easily be a "computer-generated hobbit", or a "computer-generated short adult of slight build" or any number of other things the person behind it wants.

Please come back to this thread when you get back to Earth

Yes, local law cannot supercede the rulings of the Supreme Court. When the Supreme Court decides a law to be unconstitutional then that law ceases to exist.

Hmm. I'm recalling an issue in Texas.

LL banned two consenting adults for sexual acts, true?

Simulated child sex with an avatar (when both are adults) and real life pornography are totally different.

That was rulled unconstitutional by the Supreme Court.

Nope...Untrue

LL banned two consenting adults for simulating child sex. Not just "sexual acts".
If you take a picture of a child and adult having sex... is it Child pornograpghy? Of course it is.
If you then take that photograph...and do a drawing of it... (with the intent of stimulating someone sexually).. is it still child pornograpghy? of course it is.
If you take a memory of an image of a child having sex...and you create an avatar...and you take an adult avatar and you simulate the activity... whilst viewing the very grapphic pictures on your screen of that simulation... for sexual pleasure..is it child pornography? You bet!!!
So lets say you just imagined sex with a child... and you created an avatar that was meant to simulate a child... and you got an adult to have sex with it because the thoughts of having sex with children turned you on...is that wrong? HELL YES!!!
I cant think of a situation where sex with a child, simulated or otherwise as anything but wrong... if I am wrong... tell me so.