Well, I guess Ageplay is now Officially banned

Probably normal...I can't talk to you. I can't make sense of what you think you are saying. I think if I was making NO sense, more than you would have posted. Either wait until I learn your language, or you learn mine better. I'm willing to take the first step..but until then...I just can't see us furthering our discussion. You believe me uncaring, that's fine, in that case I very much am. You see me as disturbed, *shrugs* ok. You believe what you like, but my world is ruled in reality, and I don't apologize for it.

Sexual ageplay IS pedophilia, sexual ageplay in and of itself is not child abuse as both people are adults, but it is acting out the fantasy of child abuse, and is is pedophilia.

Right... the point is, you are confusing the two issues.

THere is only ONE ISSUE that I see being debated here... and that is avatar sex in sl.

Nobody is taking the side of allowing actual child porn to be uploaded to SL, so that is a non issue.

SO... given the one true issue here, you were very mistaken.

The nut of the issue is this:
*** SL users banned for consenting adult behavior. ****

It seems to me that if you are not addressing this specific issue, then you are missing the issue alltogether.

yep... but just because YOUR alt is very short and is a supernatural immortal being who is several hundred years old...does NOT mean that every short avatar is the same. The debate is not about short supernatural immortal beings...its about CHILD AV's. that is to say small avatars that are meant to simulate CHILDREN!
I do not agree with the banning of child AV's... but I do agree with as total banning on CHILD AV's being involved in sexual simulation. again...not av's that are small... but MEANT TO DEPICT MINORS.

Well I guess that makes it all right then ....

And how do you propose to put a stop to this?

I'm sorry but this made no sense whatsoever.

I don't argue with LL's decision. It was theirs to make, I do argue with people who for some reason decide their emotions should be the rules all people should live by.

The nut of the issue...is not a complete description though is it? because I am an SL user..and I have never been banned for consenting adult behaviour. the REAL nut of the issue is..
***SL users banned for simulating sexual activities between an adult and child***

THAT is the specific issue... concenting adult behaviour is not the issue at all.

Or... SL users banned for doing something that is broadly offensive to the majority of the population and illegal in the country that has their second largest customer base and is presently getting them a lot of bad press.

You know, Nazi regalia is also banned in SL. So is "hate speech". Or anything a Linden decides crosses some line they don't like.

This isn't a democracy, it's a virutal reality platform and LL runs it.

I can't think of any other quote in the entire thread that so perfectly embodies the utter absurdity of criminalizing the imagination.

This is not true. Pedophilia is specifically prepubescent in nature, while ageplay is not necessarily so. (someone please explain to me when avatars reach puberty, ok?)

Also, ageplay may NOT be sexually stimulating to those in it (for example, if you tried it once, and discovered that you did not like it... then it could not be pedophilia, yet it would be ageplay).

Simple... it should be dealt with as it has been dealt with. It is not acceptable to have this kind of behaviou...and thus anyone caught doing so will be banned.

OMG you really are strange person how in the world can you even think this let alone write it And your a parent of 4?




What you worry about unless you have rl issues to hide right? You seem to have deeper issues then just this topic allow




If your twisting and turn words and issues to made age role play sex ok in other peopls ways of thinking






shakeshead you have any idea what your talking about? Needs to get off subject to prove a point? nevermind






Look role play and age sex role play is two different issues here




Why do you need to questen LLABS rules it that vedio clearly shows what happened......
Because there is always one person in a group that is anti just to be differnt.

Right... so can you tell us that the banned SL users did not have very old but short supernatural immortal beings as their avatars?

If you can't tell us... then who can?

(If you have avatar sex with someone is short and youthful in appearance, be sure they wear a hat that says "I am a four hundred year old immortal being from another dimension, not a child avatar" in case German media or LL is snooping about.)

All true, yes it is a computer generated graphical depiction of a child ... engaged in child abuse, depicting pedophilia. For the purpose of virtually living out fantasies of child abuse .. pedophilia.

Why don't you ever go ahead and say what it is a depiction of? You always stop at saying it's not a real child, that it's only a computer controlled cartoon. But you never finish up with exactly what it is a depiction of.

lol... then I am pleased to have won the prize!!!

I dont think anyone wants to criminalise the imagination...instead it is a point of criminalising the sick individuals that think that fantasising about having sex with children is ok.

Well you know not many feels the same with your views......sorry but if i was your child i surly would be worried.......

Why is it that these types that are always fights the rules and laws always acts and tries to be smart. More less they had some exposure military seems to come in to play here.

Please have warrant before trying to take a quote out of a thread remark. Otherwise you really look bad.

Murder is illegal. Should we ban depictions of Murder? Because I know of a sim that stages murder mysteries ever so often.

No, you are arguing that your feelings are correct and theirs are not.

I don't believe that any unreal depiction of children doing anything should be against the law. That is MY belief about it. I do understand the arguement that pedophiles may find it exciting but psychopaths would find WoW exciting, we can't censor the world to protect us from crazies. As long as real children arent involved, I want my speech protected. Not because I want to see sexualized images of children but because real art is threatened if you go this route. The book Lolita would be banned as child porn if that logic is followed.

But I do believe that people who engage in this sort of thing in SL are, in the main, pedophiles or those with that tendancy. There may be exceptions but who else would want to have sex with an avatar that looks seven years old?

I do agree with Linden Labs decision. They aren't the government and allowing this to continue without restraint creates an atmosphere that will cause it to increase. It is extremely offensive to a lot of people and can seriously hurt them as a company. They have millions of dollars given to them by investors on the line.

If thinking of me as disturbed makes you happy knock yourself out. If I as looking for friends I wouldn't be interested in facts and truth.

When Renderosity started to ban images of naked children, This was one of the ways the pervs started to skirt the rule until an outright ban happened. Oh that is not a full frontal shot of a naked toddler, that is a 9000 year old supernatural being who happens to look like a toddler.


See I could care less if one is Gay,Furry,And escort. Or whatever on SL as long as you do not try to involve me into anything and since you cant then there is no rape either so that is a non issue. What is an issue is that child porn is illegal in most of the civilized world and more then likely the uncivilized part too. That bring this so because 2 people want to play at virtual child porn in SL, the countrys involved might pull the plug for Everyone from those countrys. That is my concern.

yes, I can tell you that. It wouldnt be factual, but I am willing to say so. It comes down to basic sensibility. If you are engaging in the simulation of an adult having sex with a child...then it is fair to say that at least one of the avatars is not a short supernatural immortal being yes?

also...let me throw this right back at you...

Can you tell me that the banned SL users DID have very old but short suppernatural immortal being AV's?

If you can't tell us... then who can?

In other words criminalizing thought that you don't agree with. You know the Soviets and Nazis outlawed thought that they didn't like too.

So are you pro SL pedophilia or con? In one post you say you're against it, in another you're defending it.