Ageplay.. whats allowed and whats not?

No, I tried to make a child version of myself but it came out WRONG.
It might be some time before I can log onto Second life. I am typing this out on a MWR computer. Installing SL on this is inpossible and I can not get a connection for my notebook. I am on my way to Germany to the "body and fender" shop for repair. I am at the 332 Emdgl/casf waiting for the medivac flight.
Hopefully I can find a connection at the hospital but am not counting on it.
I only wonder this, if people see child avatars as sex objects how do they see real children? Could it be that they are surpressing their true SICK nature?

You said in one paragraph what I have said in twenty posts. VERY well put.



Like Ranma said, you wonder how they see real kids, ya know? It must be said to live one's life obsessed with all the ugly stuff, an not seeing the beauty, and joy, and jes fun that is out there in the world.

Wildly off, I took dis piccie the other day. I think it says a lot about bein a kid in SL, without using a single word.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/marianne-mccann/529803778/



Best of luck in the hospital. I hope all goes super well.

Adz? Looks like I was wrong.

I might have a free avvie or two as well. You'll also find some great kid shapes and skins for sale in Livingtree.

Mari

We are a tired, hurt and beat up group of soldiers. We are also lucky, unlike our fallen comrades. We have our stories to tell.
We are headed for the Army hospital outside of Frankfurt.
We will be flying up to Germany tonight on a med evac C130.
Maybe you can help me develop a kid avatar? Think my adult self can use some healing as well.

Have a safe journey. You have my gratitude and respect for your sacrifice. There is even a chance your transport is being flown by my big brother. Tell him I said Hi.

Ya, best dat you are still around an getting into safe ground. I tink I could prob'ly help, as can lots of others.

Mari

I read this posting mostly in the hopes that there would be a voice of reason (there were many) and conversely dreading the stupidity (pleasantly surprisingly, not as many as I thought there would be).

After reading further, I gained more perspective on why adults play a child av. My carefree RL childhood sometimes makes me naive to the pain in the world. I'm grateful for it, believe me, particularly after reading some of what I've read here (and heard from friends in RL).

My land in Ripple has a few places that might be fun for those of you playing child avs. There's a funhouse (that I need to tweak), skydiving area has a TP up to the sky soccer field. The skydiving.. I dunno... IC I guess I'd say that's off limits, but hey.. this is a fantasy world

I also have a marina with sailboats (take a copy, as the ones there, I'm pretty sure, can only be used by the owner) bar just off of/west of that, but that isn't for kids!

On a completely serious note, just the fact that any of you who've been abused as children in reality can go back and face that from a child's perspective (even just in RP) is intensely courageous, in my opinion. I'd be repressing my head off.

*hugs*
Dea

(PS Once the grid is up, I'll put the funhouse in my picks. Don't be shocked if at some point it's under reconstruction, because .. well... My name is Deandra Watts, and I'm a buildaholic *shame*)

This thread makes me giggle slightly.

I used to roleplay in a medieval rp sim. I started out in this rp as a slave, which the landowner had no problems with. Then, three weeks ago my character married her mate and they were given a house for a week as a gift from the landowner...gorgeous honeymoon, private island, the works. They get back from honeymoon and she finds out she is expecting her first cub....This is where the problems start. I was banned from the sim for requesting that I have a prim child, the type that attach to the left shoulder and come with a hud so you can rock them and stuff. Now, forgive me if I am wrong, but is there anything in the TOS that says that Slaves are allowed but prim babies are not? I think not. This started a whole debate and a few others have left the sim to come join me in a better rp sim where I was even allowed to bring my adopted babyfur children, (the cutest lil things I have ever seen, especially my son who seems to have a fascination for cookies and drawing on my walls v.v)

The other point I wish to make with this post, is my fathers conversation with Robin Linden. He can't have children rl so he has children on sl and was terrified he would be banned for having three grown children over the age of 18 rl and sl. Robin, being the wonderful person they are, cleared up a few issues about the whole ageplay/family problem we have at the moment and when I have their permission to use it, I shall post a few extracts from it on here to clear up the troubles a few of you are having at understanding what is banned and what isn't.

Funhouse? Soccer? Coooool!

I'll hafta check out the sailbozts, too. I usually kayak around if I'm gonna be inna boat, but it could be fun!

Thanks for the wonderful post.



I sooo would like to hear about dat!

Mari

Related: the new Metaverse Messenger (June 5th issue) contains an op-ed by me, including one of the issues presented on this discussion thread.

http://www.metaversemessenger.com/

Page 27

Mari

I just read it Marianne, great job!!!!

I do hope in the future that more happy things can be written also hehehe. I am an optimistic kid !!
I do believe it is in our future. Until that time keep the distractors informed and continue the informing



In addition I would like to thank Angel for her well thought out words. We have known each other for over 5 years online and she always has supported me in my decisions. TY Angel

Thankoo!

An ya, I wanna write more funner stuff there, but all dat has been goin on keep me havin' to write about sexual ageplay policies an notecards an stuff. I find rainbows an parties an ice cream to be waaaay better stuff to hafta write about.

I also wanna say, dis is a thread dat did't go like I thought it was gonna at all. I 'spected more piling on about "teh evil kidz." I'm glad it's been as civil as it has been, in the middle of everyting goin' on.

Mari

Theres absolutely nothing wrong with child avatars, and i don't understand all the fuss that's being generated over them. The name of the games is Second-Life right? I thought the point of this was to do things you might not have the means to do, or be able to do. I totally defend people playing child avatars, hey maybe you had a bad childhood and you wish to revist being a child to enjoy the experience, i personally have 4 SL daughters all of them playing child avatars under the age of seven. These alligations of child avatars and sexual acts is limited like everything else in this world to select places with some seriously screwed up people. If people cant get past that and accept people that do what they want in their Second Life they need to leave this game.... THE POINT OF THIS GAME IS TO DO WHAT YOU WANT, people can't seem to accept that and it's irritating me to no end. I support all of you people that play child avatars and more power to you, if you ever want to meet my daughters IM me in game and you can come to my house play on my playground and and we can announce it to the whole *explicit* world =]

[14:32] name edited: No kids around here - this is a mature sim... bye bye [14:35] (I got ejected and banned) Espectro Slade: keep your message for AR you for harassement, look the TOS before ejecting people [14:36] name edited : this is a mature sim - the covenant clearly says no age play - ie - No Kids. [14:37] name edited: Mature sim = no child avatars please..
It was just a comercial mall
Of course I didn't AR him ppl can do what they want in their sims but I put this for your information.

You can get banned for no reason on private property (I've been banned from a sex store for saying "poop chute" before). That doesn't mean the property owner knows what he's talking about. If he were to AR you it would be a different story.

The attitude itself would make me want to leave

Yes, it was unfair and extremely rude. but there was no TOS violation here. Landowners can exercise discrimination or just randomly ban people at will. Your only recourse is to simply not shop there in adult or child (or weasel or butterfly or C-3PO) form.

Sometimes I wish we could give names here, maybe not personal names, but I would love to know that mall's name so I wont go there with my SL daughters, I would really be sad if they were kicked out of a public place.
I would also love to know how the tenants in that mall feel about people being kicked because of their appearance.

Sometimes I wish we were more sympathetic towards people who think different from us, who look different from us, who could enrich our world with their experiences or that would be enriched by ours.

I invite some of those kid haters to wear a child av for just one day, not more, just one day. I invite them to get in touch with their inner child, to remember how magic our imagination was when we were 3, 4, 8..... SL is a magic place, a place where everything can happen, if you add this magic with your childhood magic this would be an awesome world. There would be less threads in here maybe

My personal experience in SL has been made a wonderful one since one of those kids came to my life. My SL family would not be the same without the joy a child brings. We're a working family, we are busy all the time, but the time we spend exploring, watching movies, dancing, or simply sitting down to chat and have laughs is totally what a normal RL family would do.

My SL wouldnt be complete without all my daughters, they brighten up my day any day.

I've had the pleasure of meeting many kids (av) in SL and the whole experience has been one I wouldnt want to have missed.

I'm grateful for what they give me everyday, I'm grateful to them for enduring this witch hunt without "growing up", I'm grateful for all the smiles and all the light they've brought to my SL life.

In RL kids have rights, the fundamental ones are the right to be sheltered, the right to be heard, the right to be loved, the right to be respected as individuals. The people in SL that wear a kid av have the need to be kids again, for whatever reason, and they have the same rights in my opinion. Why should we hunt them and make them feel dirty for trying to relive a certain stage of their RL?

They're no kids, that's true, and do most of the people in SL are as perfect as their av? Do all men behind their computer are tall and muscular and with long flowing hair plus some tattoos in RL? No middle aged, bellies, bald, white men at all??? LOL
Do all women have beautiful bodies, perfect waists, no sagging breasts, perfect hairdo always?
Nobody is fat, bald, with crooked teeth, etc?
Well, If most of us can wear an av that is not what we really are, why cant an adult wear a short av?

Just my opinion

When I'm human I look almost EXACTLY like I do IRL. Gut and all!

Me too! (except i never had a gut) Look at my 1st life tab... .off by 20 years but otherwise a good match LOL

I had to get rid of the gut it conflicted badly with too many clothing items making my RL self look better
I keep tapping the mouse on my shoulder but can't get RL edit appearance option.....

I'd just ad ok, I won't shop here in any of my other avatars either...

Mixed feelings. Unfair? is really. Rude? mmm, they did say 'please'? OK, for a stupid, myopic, facile reason but 'their world, their imagination' ring a bell? Aren't we just as blatently forcing our opinions on someone who's simply not as enlightened as us? OK, a mall. Heck, there's thousands of others.

I like child avatars. I like angels, fairies, dragons, furries, daleks, heck I like em all. I also respect others opinions. Yes, this one forced an action but that's owners prerogative. They lost a customer. Several probably.

I was going to suggest revisiting in a different guise but a ban in addition to ejecting precludes this .. another myopic failing on the owners part. ..... Twerp

Someday LL will implement scripted attachment/detachment of clothing, shapes, etc. Then, i will create a device that makes your avatar you randomly change shapes, clothing, hair, eyes, etc. Consider the whole spectrum of shapes available in SL. Ever seen "A Scanner, Darkly"? Several scenes in the movie feature a disguise suit that makes the wearer's face and body shape morph randomly... a teenager, an old lady with grey hair, a deadbeat, a chisel-jaw, etc., turning over completely several times a second. In SL this list could be expanded to include all the animals, robots, dragons, amorphous objects, and cartoon characters. Then I could walk around and get banned by anyone who has any problem with any shape, whatever that shape may be. All bases covered. Get the banning over with, please, because I won't go where I'm not welcome in whatever shape I choose or may choose in the future.

I can imagine you getting banned from *every* sim you visit .. simply for stalling it with lag LOL

Um, no, that's not what I meant at all, and I'm really sorry if you thought that - although I don't see how you inferred that, because I didn't mention you. But many women I know do get nervous around groups of men, even though most men aren't rapists; and many men I know are very reluctant to get too close to children for fear of being falsely accused of abuse, even though most people would never do that. I do not for a moment think that *you* are one of the bad ones in either dimension.



Well, if you are walking home on your own, and at the end of the street you see a man with a hammer, and he looks "dodgy" then.. well, wouldn't you go some other way?

It's human nature to try to protect ourselves against things before they happen. I know it's not very fair, but it's there. I don't agree with it, and some of my best friends on SL use non-sexual child avatars, but I sympathise with people who do feel that way.



It's not an issue of education. Suppose that I'm a German guy and while flying around I meet a child avatar. If that child avatar starts doing something sexual I could wind up under investigation in real life. I probably would not go to jail, but even the investigation would be hugely damaging.

Unfortunately, the more effort you put into "educating" that German into knowing that most child avatars are not like that.. the easier you make it for a griefer to ambush him with a huge prim penis and a poseball bracelet. Whenever people open up to crime, criminals move in very quickly.

What's really to blame, at the bottom of all this, is the whole business where you can be blamed for *hearing* something someone else said/expressed to you, purely because they did so over the Internet and thus it counted as a "download". But this is an issue that only RL governments can deal with.

What we ideally need is for the Lindens to allow *objects* to have ratings too, so that child avatars can't wear, attach, or interact with objects that aren't PG.