Ageplay.. whats allowed and whats not?

I do get aggressive when you steal my lollipop....

Serious, since I stopped smoking many many years ago I am addicted to lollipop, especially those with "salmiak" taste. Guess some shrink can make a nice story about that .

(Don't know the right English word for "Salmiak" btw.... but it is yummie )

Morwen.

Salmiak = Licorice.

Ya, but dat's too easy!

An dun go stealin' my lollipop!



Mmmm... yummy!

Mari

I've never openly spoken to a child avatar nor publicly commented on them, but if i'm honest they still freak me out even after seeing them in SL all this time. Dont get me wrong, I see them shopping in my store, I used to live oposite a store that sold playground equipment etc. and I would not do anything to offend them in world or stop them going about their buisiness, it's not my place to. Im very open minded and I get Gor, I get BDSM, and all the other varied RP groups that have emerged in SL, I even understand phedophiles wanting to pretend to have sex with a minor, or a phedohpile pretening to be a minor. But what I dont get is those people who legitimately want to roleplay a child for fun. Ive avoided this thread for a long time, but due to a slow day at work I've just read the whole thing and I still dont get it after reading hundreds of opinions, many of which defend legit child av's. I am not asking anyone to explain it to me further, I feel i've refferenced enough information to form my own opinion. But I think allot of poeple like me see a alterior motive behind any adult who wants to pretend to be a child and no amount of justification on the part of the child AV can change that view.

I get on ok with child-avs. Mebbe it's the height but hey, I'm ok with them as I am vamps, goths ... even dragons at a suitable distance!
I had a RL chum visit about a month back. For the few minutes he looked over my shoulder as I gave him a whistle-stop tour we found the child I mentioned earlier at the racetrack. He nearly fell over laughing at the vision of this little girl pulling out a mobile phone half her size to talk into instead of typing. It was fun. She made us laugh. She appreciated the attention. End of story.
There's no need to look deep is there Porky? Deep's for those who want to meet partners. For everything else there's the joy of the moment.
As long as I can smile harder when logging out than I was when loggin in, that's as deep as I wanna go.

I'm genuinely curious: what is it that disturbs ya? The worries of an "ulterior motive" or someting else? I'd love to hear more, if only to help me understand your thoughts.

I should add, too, dat one persons' "ulterior motive" might be anothers "justification." For me, it has a lot to do with healing old RL wounds (parental neglect, a horrible school experience, and sexual abuse,amongst other issues), and having experiences I missed out on when I was a kid in my first life. Oh, an also cuz it's jes a lotta fun. Others have different reasons, an dat's okay. Those is jes mine. Not tryin' to "defend," jes explain where I'm comin' from, I guess.



Now *that's* the way to look at it all!

Mari

Maybe thats my problem then. I guess I need these people to prove their inocence to me and they havnt done so yet. I guess I see child Av's as being guilty from the get go and I see it as their job to prove their innocence, which I can see is clearly wrong, but you cant help how you feel. Maybe I need to hang out with a few chid av's and get to know the people behind them, it may be hard though. I get annoyed just reading the kiddle babble from Marianne's posts and I think Ageplay is the biggest issue I have with SL. We'll see, I will try and engage them in converstation in world more often. In a nutshell Bilbo I think you are telling me to 'Chill out" which is good advice

I feel the need to elaborate a little:

My chum in those minutes accepted what was put in front of him. He didn't subsequently quiz me on purposes or reasons for the portrayal of the child. He just accepted it as play.

Now .. deep?

My fiancee works with behavioural therapy. She and I have had many conversations about SL in general and recently specifically my reasons for running a female alt. The upshot of this is she's not entirely happy with it ... she accepts it though .. but more importantly, she doesn't feel she needs to section me!

So, a professional therapist is ok with 'acting' out of true form. Isn't this what this thread is about?

Porky, you say you're ok with an area of role play I think the majority of us find more disturbing than just child-play. Why are you more suspicious of child-play? A grasp at an earlier age of innocence? A childhood lost? A childhood missed?

And no, I'm not a child-av trying to justify it. In fact those who met me in-world will know I'm a little tall for a hobbit

Jerry Lewis used a line when he was questioned behind his motives for being invold in MDA Telethon: (Paraphrased)
Those who know me, no explanation is necessary. Those who don't, no explanation will suffice.

Ya, makes a lotta sense. An really, I tink dat meetin kids in-world is a lot different from jes talking about them. The interaction can make all the difference, I tink



Well, not everything is everyone's cup or tea, too, you know? I don't much like Goreans, for one, an will tend to avoid them just out of habit. I don't get em. If ya don't like kids, then you don't, and that's fine.

That said, yes, you may be right about us having to "prove" our innocence. I doubt you are alone in that, either. I suspect that is a lot of Yumi's fear as well.

Mari

yep! absolutely!
must meet up sometime in-world, kick up a mound of earth, sit back in it witha cannubis drink in one hand, a donut in the other .. an pull faces at the furries as they go past

Though I can understand this I do think it is sad in a way. I personally would love to try RPing as a child though I won't in this current climate.

But I wonder whether there's something going on here with us Brits (or maybe Europeans I don't know) and our attitudes as oppised to people in the US and possibly elsewhere. Well, you know that here you daren't speak to, play with, engage with, take a photo of or sometimes even look at a child playing in a park without fear of being branded a perv. This is really sad I think, and maybe the fault of our media and their feeding frenzy around any paedophile story. A big front page paedo-related headline seems to shift newsprint. Has it created a climate of fear and mistrust that is unjustified?

This is actually something I'd thought about before the current child AV furore. A guy and I have 'old people' AVs which are great fun. We went dancing in them at a place with mainly UK people. Uncomfortable or what? As soon as we walked in the chatter died down. We got the feeling everone went to IM. Then someone let something slip in chat: "Whatever turns you on I guess". For heaven's sake, why do people assume every damn thing has to have a sexual motive?

In contrast we went to a club with mostly US people. Completely different. Everyone really got into it, had great fun taking pics and all the guys wated a dance with granny!

OK I know I'm making a huge generalisation based on no evidence at all here, but it's just the way I've been thinking.

EDIT: oh and Bilbo.... save one of those doughnuts for me!

I hear ya there!



There's a truth to that. I think we're seeing it here, too. The unjustified attention afforded to the in-world sexual ageplayers and stuff has caused an overall distrust of kids in SL, and an assumption both of their guilt as well as a worry of "guilt by association."



Sad, innit?



Me too! With sprinkles!

Mari

Excellent post Kelly!

Yes, I agree and blame the media for the spread of mistrust, fear and paranoa that seems to have spread into the UK lifestyle. We were always a conservative lot but nowadays wer'e positively melancholic.

When I was very young, mum and dad used to say never accept sweets from strangers. That was it. No explanation of why not or what might happen if I did.

Today, we get it thrust in full technicolor down our throats in the 6 o'clock news, the newspapers, the radio. And two months down the line we get it in Crimewatch. It sells the papers .. and the great unwashed feed off it biting ever deeper into the compassion and trust we once had.

I've no figures and this is pure conjecture but I seriously doubt that today these crimes are any more widespread than in my own childhood. We just get to hear a lot more about them. And of course, bad news sells!

Damn! only three donuts left .. one for Kelly .. better hurry up Porky!!

Edit: oops!! /me offers last one to Mari ... sorry Mr Gorky!

Personally I have never even seen a child Avatar. Even when I go to the park just to sit and look at the animals. This is a roll playing world, and as long as you don't break the rules, so be it. This world is for fun, and of course if sex is your thing, go do it, as long as your not breaking the LL rules, or bothering me with it Paranoia does strike deep!!

You can always orbit someone for giving you greef! Harass me, and I will orbit you everytime!
Luv
DeVonna!

See, thats funny!.

I guess a few years ago I didnt have an opinion. Then I had a kid and my world and my opinions of it changed. Then a child I knew was seduced by a phedophile on the internet who was pretending to be a child. In addition to that the British Media have pretty much led a witch hunt against all Phedophiles so I am also influenced by that on regular basis.

Thanks Marianne for explaining your reasons for choosing to use a Child AV. I guess you are using SL as a kind of therapy for your horrific childhood and are in essence re-writting your childhood through SL. If that works, then good for you and I shouldnt be judging what you are doing (even though I am). I accept your reasoning and you have been removed from my wall of wierd (im sure you will sleep better at night knowing you have Porky's approval )

What would be helpful is if all child Avs could carry around a notecard that they can pass to me detailing their justification for choosing to represent themselves as kids. Obviously nobody needs to justify their actions to me but in an ideal world this would help my level of uderstanding. Not actually suggesting for a minute that anyone do this.

I've leaned allot about peopes motivations from this thread, i just have trouble believing them, But I guess thats my problem. I will allways be suspiscous of adults pretending to be children, and I think in order to protect our kids thats a healthy attitude to have. But I clearly need to allow people the chance to explain themselves further before mentaly convicting them.

All i can say is reference my first Post. The problem isn't the person who wishes to return to childhood, the problem lies with those who can't pull thier minds out of the gutter.


Isn't it so disheartening that The Innocence requires Proof, while the Filth is assumed without Question?
Angel.

the Irony being that those with their minds most often in the gutter are often those who so admantly protest against sex.

Yeah that surgical hose don't half chafe when you're sambaing.

From within the Ageplay community I am sure they are 2 distinctive groups, those innocently roleplaying children, and those roleplaying children for sexual purposes. As an outsider its impossible to differenciate between the 2 groups without getting to know each Child AV individually. It's all a very tricky subject IMO

You have to wonder how ..

Someone who used Cocaine as an aphrodesiac prior to marriage with his fiance who was much younger than him ...

And wrote about how horny he was and how he couldnt believe she could handle him ..

Became such an authority on all this stuff.

You gotta stop watching those History Channel repeats.

If child avatars are going to become more and more common, then we're going to need a "clip round the ear for giving me cheek" animation as standard.

must mean you saw it too -