Ageplay.. whats allowed and whats not?

Mebbe you should visit more

Curiously, the master at school I and others feared most was one of the few we never got the cane from ... such is the nature of a deterent.

Ah, corporal punishment .. happy days ... <cough>

Hee! I've gotta great ol' jump rope... I'll hafta pull it out tonight!

(I could suggest a few places to find good kid stuff, ya know)



I might be RPing a teenager by then. /me laughs

Mari

I have rather a soft spot for the old girl these days.

I think the general consensus of this thread is that child avatars get a raw deal. It's heartening to hear that the majority of people on here have come to this thread with open minds.

I think, though, that it is in the nature of the forums generally to attract a larger proportion of the more reasonable residents - we get some reactionaries of course, but proportionally less it seems than exist in world. The majority of those who object to child avies on this forum seem, by and large, to atleast have objected in a thoughtful way.

Oh that's Good! Bravo!
/me applauds.

Perhaps a better idea is just to carry a notecard with the url of this thread, to show to all the meanies who have the temerity to eject because of their ageist policies. This is probably one of the most well thought and and explanatory threads I've ever seen. At least then they don't have to go far to get good information, and can contact you later if they have questions.

I don't know about that. Aswell as being sympathetic to child avatars, the other consensus reached so far on this thread seems to be that land owners should have the right to eject anyone they don't like. Going back to my metaphor used earlier, I should be able to eject someone if I don't like their hat - that doesn't mean I think their hat is morally wrong, I just don't like it.

Theres a big difference from being banned from a parcel and being AR'd with some exagerated junk you didnt do just becuase you were using a child AV.


Of course with Black List type systems that are evolving - theoreticaly you could get banned from dozens of sims just becuase ONE banned you for having a child AV

But that's always going to be the case. The purpose of the thread is to say that not all kidplayers are evilbad, hopefully letting the reader know, and perhaps understand, that it's better to judge by behavior rather than appearance. Talk to any kid av's who come in, and it won't take long to determine the innocent from the not so.

Exactly. A landowner banning kids , sy because he just doesn't like kids is fine. But to say OMG there's a kid on my land, PERVERT!, call the Cops, is a different issue.

Ya. Landowners rights are landowners rights, can't change those. But as I recall the discussion really turned towards the issue of ARing a couple kids and their mommy for talking - which is jes silly.



/me nods. An knowing this is the "wave of the future" for SL (I don't remember the exact stuff, but I know Daniel Linden or one of them talked about no bannination in the futre, jes blacklisting), it becomes a bigger concern, ya know?



Behavior should always trump identity (I'll go with this, cuz "appearance" can be an issue in some instances). Maybe even more so in SL than anywhere, given we can be and do nearly anything.

Mari

Very Good Mari, and you can count on my support, and assistance.
Yes, some people are of such closed minds that they will never be reached, those are the ones who have thier beliefs, and take exception to anyone who tries to confuse them with Facts.
You aren't going to reach everyone, But if you educate enough people, the Ignorant ones lose thier influence.

"Those who Matter don't mind, and those who Mind don't Matter."
(Quote by Unknown)

Angel.

Posting in an epic thread.

PS: What height is legal now?

Only answer to that for someone with a straight spine is: Any damn height you want. F**k the bastards.

Go for it.

This is an epic thread? Which rod and bait do I need for those?

Any slider position from 0 to 100 is allowable, as well as other modifications which make your avatar larger or smaller than the standard height.

Mari

True and true!

A lot of us kid avvies have learned how to deal with it, thoguh. We have a lot of "our" spaces. I hate to self-limit, though. 'specially cuz our family does a lotta 'splorin.



There is that whole "lead a horse to water" thing. I dunno how many would come here to read it, ya know? Hard t'get folks jes to read what information I carry around as it is, sometimes.

I *would* encourage a visit to the Second Life Children build in the 4th birthday sims, when it opens. There's a lotta good stuff in there on dis topic. Also, a wander through the Second Childhood flickr set. But by the same token, how to get dat information to those who really need it?

Any further thoughts?

Mari

Yes I am totally opposed to any black list system, no matter how well run. It will lead to many people losing their ability to enjoy Second Life with no fair apprasal of how they ended up on the list.

Ya, I'm really concerned with black lists as well. Bound to be troubles with 'em.

That said, we use one with a couple of the kid places, an so far they seem to be okay. So far.

Mari

Yes. Blacklists are never good. You can't stop informal, word of mouth stuff, but any official listings I am dead set against.

Yesterday, I found myself with another challenge, which shows the difficulties to that outreach. While in SL04 PG, a pair of German SL members spotted me and (in German, thank you translation software) talked about how much they hated "kinderavatars." There was a language barrier initially (though they changed to English), but the 'prejudice barrier' was much higher. While I did try to reason with them a bit, I was automatically assumed to be lying about anything I said -- while at the same time, I was supposed to automatically accept what they said as fact. Talking about what some of us kids went through IRL as kids was called a "sob story," but I told being a kid was wrong because of what other RL kids went through. EVentually, they left because "this conversation isn't going anywhere" (true, because really, how could it?).

Unlike the arguments of what kids could or could not attach, and what their laws might do to them if such did happen (which, I suspect, Ray Bolger might have a term for most of those arguments), their argument against kids in SL was based purely out of a revulsion for what they assumed I could do, and an assumption that anything I said was a falsehood due to them being "sickened" by my presence

So it seems to me that any efforts need to be from a higher level, perhaps. And I doubt that will ever happen. Yet until people understand what *is* allowed in SL, some will assume otherwise. :-/

Anyone have any idea of how to help people - especially the closed minded - understand dat us kids *by and large* are okay?



Congratulations! You inspired a photo! I give you... kids wearing specialized body attachments!

http://www.sluniverse.com/pics/pic.aspx?id=183580

Mari

"Eventually," Marianne? Good. That means they stayed around a while - and they heard. They may not have liked getting their presumptions challenged, and they may not have agreed on the spot. But they heard, and now they have taken away something to think about, whether theylike it or not. Don't get discouraged. Little drops of water wear down entire mountain ranges; it just takes time.

Well, I've now seen "height discrimination" at work first hand. On Friday, in an adult club, this was the conversation (shorthanded):

Staff to patron: "We don't allow child avatars here."

Patron: "I'm 5'6" in RL, so that's how tall I made my avatar. I'm not a child."

Staff: "Change your height or you'll be banned for having a child avatar. We don't allow child avatars here."

I would have told them" No need for a ban. I'll take my business elsewhere. And I'll persuade as many people as possible to do likewise."

Could not have said it better myself! Not that I hate the Slave/Mater talk, but the part about individual rights.

Brandi...xxx

In most cases I might agree. IN this one? I dunno. Maybe they were hopin' to wear me down too. :-/



I suspect this will only become more an more common, ya know?



Seriously! 'course, they might jes tink "oh, that's good, cuz then we won't have no freaky kids here."



In a way, that reminds me of people speaking a foreign language, in a way. Here, I'll often hear of people complaining about non-English speakers and how "they should learn our language" an stuff.

Really, if it's not impacting you, who should really care?

Mari

/me giggles..... it seems that if i make me even closer to the same height as me i'll probably look about child-size compared to all the giants out there ........ see height measurement thread
btw Mari.... sorry to have missed your b'day display.... was looking forward to seeing it, heard it was wonderful