Ageplay.. whats allowed and whats not?

I will make sure to tell my sis to not talk abotu Z-flutter (one of her favorite topics, I tink).

An I love love love some of your builds, an even needta catch you in-world, cuz I wanted to get a couple of those cool lawn chairs dat you gots in Tableau.

If you'd like a SAFE sign for your land, lemme know, too.

Mari
(Wow! Topic drift!)

well thanx for your repiles everyone...

you have cleared this all up for me now...
i was worried about logging in with my alt as i didnt wanna get banned.
i can handle people abusing me.. i give as good as i get.. even as a 6yr old

so i guess the answer to my question is 'its ok if i dont have sex' (which i dont) hehe

thanx a lot peeps.. xxxx

Yups!

From my e-mail inbox, from Robin Linden: "child avatars are fine, it's the depiction of sexual activity with children that is grounds for terminating an account, and could have potential implications for real world action."

And from Chadrick Linden, again via e-mail, "For clarification purposes, we are not banning or preventing those who wear child avatars in Second Life from doing so, your description of our policies in your email was correct. We do apologize for any grief that has come your way due to the ageplay issue, we ask that you report anyone who harasses you so our Governance team may address it."

My "description of our polices" that Chadrick references is as follows:

Child avatars are in themselves allowed. Child avatars in sexual situations (sexual congress obviously, though it is unclear beyond this) are not allowed and ARable. Public promotion (classified listing, profile, etc.) of sexual situations with child avatars is not allowed and ARable. Indicating that the *real age* of a child avatar (as opposed to a stated SL/role playing age) is below main grid age is not allowed and ARable.

Mari

It's all very well saying child avatar's are fine, but when people are AR'ing people for chatting in public then it's going to lead to pressure on landowners. Some landowners won't want the hassle of having to react to people sending them abusive messages, so they'll cave in and kick perfectly innocent people off their land.

The stigma has already been attached and it needs clearing up.

I am not into having sex with my adult avatar. Sex in second life is so over rated!
I was wondering are you sort of doing over the rough parts of your childhood so they become happy memories? Lets say as an example your grandmother teaches you some German but your father gets soo angry after you speak it he gives you a black eye, this lets you redo the moment only with a happier outcome?

This is a lot of my SL experience. Reimagining some of the pain of my past, but in happier (and healthier ways). Having a family that's there for you, not being abused, all of that. For that, it's really super good.

One of the ironies for me, an I've mentioned it before, is that IRL I was a victim of sexual abuse. A lot of us (not all, but a sizable number) kids were. So we're often the first to react negatively to depiction sof sex involving child avatars. Yet, at the same time, we're also the ones who get accused of same.



Yup. Really, it's jes gonna get harder for us kids - an many would say "good riddance," too.

Mari

Thank You!!!!!

I can relate to the above. I was raped at an early age. My parents being old school did not believe me at first and then blamed me for the event. This event still haunts me even to this day and it was 43 years ago. I have had bad nightmares about the event from time to time. I have punched my spouse a few times in my sleep. It is not a pretty scene.
The last thing I want to react is being forceably raped. I think my reaction in real life might include the use of deadly force on my part. I do not understand why people who think that children who are abused are perverts as adults?
I say to these people, AR away! You will be giving the Lindens a much deserved laugh.

Yer welcome!



I'm sorry to hear what you went through, but unfortunately I can also relate.

Mari

Marianne, I would give up about a hundred forum posters here to keep you around.

This is an example of why legitimate ARs take so long to get responded to. LL is busy wading through stupid ones like this.

What part of the CS or TOS did they break? Or do you just AR everything that "annoys" you?

/me blushes quite a bit, "Thankoo"

Mari

Question!! It really bothers me to see child Avi's in adult/mature SIM's where there are pose balls they shouldn't be looking at. What do all of you do about that one. No idea if they are really children or adults. *confused*

They're adults. As long as they don't hop on the balls themselves, don't worry about it.

Answer! All the *real* (as in underage outside of SL) kids are the ones in the super sexy adult avvies using those balls. That's how you can tell the difference between children and adults, see.

As a general rule, a real-world child is not likely going to be interested in playing a kid in Second Life. There's plenty of other places they'd rather get into where a "big" avvie would be more interesting.

If they are using those balls, then yes, that is ARable. Being in regions where they are is not. I've run into troubles with just this thing while at Bits and Bobs (which has some great kid-usable animations like "brush hair" and Pulaski Fizz's region (push ups and UA hang are faves of mine from there, and he did make some kid toys, too). There are also "adult" poses there as well. no interest of mines, but there they are. How do I shop without being near these? I do have the right to spend my Lindens, after all.

A possible real world comparison: let's say there's a corner liquor store on the route kids take home from school. The place sells dirty magazines, cigarettes, and alcohol. They also sell soda pop and candy, and probably also have a video game in the back. Should the kids be considered at fault for the store existing, or assumed to be doing something sexual/illegal for spending some of their allowance on a chocolate bar and a coke?

Mari

Honestly, age play should not be allowed at all. Im all for people doing things in the privacy of their own home if it doesnt hurt anyone, and I am far from God casting down aspersions but WHY would people do AGEPLAY to begin with. Age play is the most ridiculous fetish/rp ive ever seen. Some people need help ASAP.

Perhaps she found them "broadly offensive".

Borrowed from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ageplay
Ageplay is a form of regressive roleplay in which a physical adult takes on the role of a child. This may be purely regressive (in order to re-experience childhood in a non-sexual sense), or sexual (the roleplaying of a child/adult relationship in sex, which may be a sexual fetish and is often grouped within BDSM).

Most in Second Life are of the former variety, Robustus Hax. Should they be disallowed?

It sounded like that text might be handy for you. As far as answering your why, um... I did that a couple days ago on a different forum. I reprised that post on the Second Life Children weblog, at http://secondlifechildren.blogspot.com/

Enjoy the read.

Mari
(Really, Strife, I'm not tryin to overdo it today... honest!)

You've obviously never checked out Japanese fetish sites.

Excuse me..they were just chatting like a real parent and children would, nothing sexual, nothing evenly remotely offensive and you AR'ed them just for THAT? Sheesh, I guess the witch hunts really have begun. Why not just copy and paste the text, then edit it to something really nasty if you want to get action? So much for 'role play" in SL.

This arguement is tired...well the whole ageplay arguement in general is tired, but this one specifically.

We should all know by now that in the context of SL and the controversy surrounding this subject that people referring to "ageplay" mean "sexual ageplay with child avs".

This nit-picking of definitions is no different than trying to defend a griefer by saying "orbiting is when you circle a planet while keeping at a certain level in or over it's atmosphere. Hax0rz6900 Barrett was obviously not orbitting anyone because avatars are not planets!"

Just about EVERYONE that understands the basic social climate in SL has no problem with non-sexual ageplay...other than it's kinda creepy if you ask me. Many in SL hadn't even heard the term "ageplay" until the current controversy surfaced.

Excuse me..they were just chatting like a real parent and children would, nothing sexual, nothing evenly remotely offensive and you AR'ed them just for THAT? Sheesh, I guess the witch hunts really have begun. Why not just copy and paste the text, then edit it to something really nasty if you want to get action? So much for 'role play" in SL.

It's a necessary clarification, because many people are now assuming that anyone in a child avatar wants to have sex in it.

BTW, Marianne, I want to know the names of the little dogs who threatened you with sexual violence.

Well, I can't post them here, of course... but if you drop me a reminder in-world, I jes might be able to mention 'em.



I agree. Everyone should know by now - but yet it seems like I am always coming across folks who don't know, or assume that all kids are sexual ageplayers. I also have had to deal with new kids from outside of SL coming in, who use the term ageplay and don't know the stigma attached to it here. I'm pretty tired of it too, but it's what I gotta deal with All The Time.

In a lotta ways, I like the suggestion of the term "Family Play," which FlipperPA coined. Until someone decides there's something unwholesome there, too, and the term gets corrupted. :-/

Mari

I always just called it "pretending to be a kid".