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Qie Niangao
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07-27-2009 15:49
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Valerius Constantine
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07-27-2009 16:18
They also, as I now recall, " decided to open up more of the Zindra landmass, earlier than planned" because "[t]he parcel sizes being requested have been larger than expected" https://blogs.secondlife.com/community/land/blog/2009/07/03/a-zindra-update-more-land-on-the-way The natural explanation, at least it seems to me, for their receiving fewer requests than expected but for larger parcel sizes is that people must have consolidated their applications, so rather than, for example, receiving 4 requests for small plots from 4 people, they received one group request on behalf of all four of them for one large one. I think that it had more to do with LL's belief that anyone who owned enough property to make up a region must have already bought a private one. Some people requested entire sims to swap, and from looking that the way the land was carved up to start with, LL wasn't anticipating swaps that big. As for the group thing, Jack and blondin both said specifically that it would be fine for a bunch of neighbors who wanted to stay together to submit a common ticket. Seems to me that if they weren't expecting big parcel requests, then they weren't paying attention to their own words, let alone those of their customers! ![]() ^V^ |
Valerius Constantine
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07-27-2009 16:25
OK well maybe not totally dishonest, although I do hold with the fact that he as the Land man should know the correct answers to these questions, that is why I feel he is being as LL always are and that's being economical with honest answers or should I say truthful answers as that can be manipulated to suit the situation whilst honesty cannot ![]() Just my thoughts though. Well, I agree for the most part. If Jack doesn't know how many "you've got adult content!" e-mails were sent, then it's because he doesn't *want* to know. That number of e-mails would have told people a rough number of how many people would be affected by these changes. A fairly quick process of eliminating the names that own land in private regions would yield a rough number of people who would ask for the swap, which would give them a reasonable number for ho big Zindra should be to *start*. Seems like a straightforward process that might take a week to do, what with all of the info being stored in databases and all. The fact that they told us at the beginning that it simply wasn't *possible* to do this sort of thing was most definitely dishonest, though, and Jack was on the team that said it. I was just opinion that rather than being deliberately obfuscatory, Jack simply doesn't take the time to find out what the *actual* information is, and makes something up that makes LL sound better than they are. ![]() ^V^ ^V^ |
Valerius Constantine
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07-27-2009 16:32
Yet a third is when they surveyed the adult places on the mainland, they didnt count the prim support parcels that contributed to a main store or club. They have made enough dumb mistakes that I could easily see them missing that when they did their survey. That's the reason why ours is so big- Prims and server resources. we plan to have a number of attractions, but not to use them all at once- We also plan on renting a few small buildings for vendor shops too, so we need to save a few prims for their vendors. One of the first places my partners worked was in a strip club on mainland with not enough prims- Imagining opening for the night with an available prim count of 12? the only reason that in managed to keep the lag down enough to actually see dancing (rather than a series of poses) was that most of the rest of the region was vacant. So, we have since followed a policy of "more land than we really need for the building footprint" ^V^ |
Valerius Constantine
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07-27-2009 16:39
If they had fewer requests than expected, for whatever reason, why the hell are they denying anyone? Because they make more money auctioning it off than they do by trading it for mainland that will sell for a substantially smaller amount. that's pretty much the entire reason. Like several people here (including me) have said, *everyone* who owns land ought to be able to swap their land for some in the content classification they *thought* they were getting when they bought it. That includes people who bought "mature" for the simple reason that they wanted to keep their options completely open, people who bought Mature with the idea that it was more restricted that it turned out to be and now want PG, and people who bought PG and discovered that it was next door to a mature sim housing "Big bob's Bukkake bar and Grill" They have changed the very nature of content designation, and therefore, the very nature of the product that they have been selling for the last 5 years. they really need to make it right with their customers. ^V^ |
Valerius Constantine
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07-27-2009 17:11
So true. We tried during beta to get them to rethink mixing PG and mature together. But they have ever been of two minds on sex in second life. One moment permissive the next moment puritanical. Frankly, I have wondered all along why they didn't simply re-shuffle the grid and separate the PG and mature sims- Put a mountain range between them or something. even swapping out PG sims to a new continent like Zindra would have made a lot more sense that what they are doing now. It would have been more effective with less pain and agony on the part of residents. Of course, I know the reason why they didn't- From the PG point of view, the attitude is "why should *we* have to move? *they're* the perverts, not us!" ![]() ^V^ |
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07-27-2009 17:17
The Lindens FREQUENTLY change the rules when they see something isn't working out. {snip} There's always going to be someone to abuse the system, or game the system or threaten legal or punitive action because of the way things are. Therefore, the Lindens are going to change the rules to keep the money flowing in. It's a given. Adapt or quit. I'm not picking on you. Just pointing out that the rules have changed many times, and will continue to change. It's a given. Well, I agree that the lindens will do whatever they hell they please to maximize their profits. However, I don't agree that there is nothing to be done about it. Many of their changes have been simply administrative- pricing models, resource allocation, etc. I griped about them raising the price of their "homestead" sims, but I never agured that they didn't have the *right* to do so. My complaint is being told by LL and other residents that I was "misusing" my 3750-prim sim by using it as directed. Rules change, but they don't change retroactively. SAying "gang, we have to raise the prices" is reasonable. saying "we have to raise the prices because people are breaking the rules by using the number of prims we sold them" is another kettle of fish, yes? ^V^ |
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07-27-2009 17:57
Good point. Tho they probably decided they need a reason.
But I have to say, I saw it coming. I'd never been on an open space sim, (before the name change) that didn't hit me with almost unbearable lag. Splitting the homestead price change over time, and re establishing the exploit that makes warpos work are the only times I recall the Lindens backing down from anything. Usually, it seems they just assert a new policy, or start a "dialog" on a subject of change, and then do what they please--which seems to be pretty much what they intimated they'd be doing in the first place--when the time comes. _____________________
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07-27-2009 17:58
SAying "gang, we have to raise the prices" is reasonable. saying "we have to raise the prices because people are breaking the rules by using the number of prims we sold them" is another kettle of fish, yes? ![]() _____________________
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07-28-2009 03:47
Frankly, I have wondered all along why they didn't simply re-shuffle the grid and separate the PG and mature sims- Put a mountain range between them or something. even swapping out PG sims to a new continent like Zindra would have made a lot more sense that what they are doing now. It would have been more effective with less pain and agony on the part of residents. Of course, I know the reason why they didn't- From the PG point of view, the attitude is "why should *we* have to move? *they're* the perverts, not us!" ![]() ^V^ They could still do a gradual dis-entaglement of PG and mature. Announce that certain areas are targeted for PG, and others for Mature, and change region ratings when (a) the full region or close to it has returned to Governor Linden, or (b) change it when enough residents in the region ask for it (like 75% of the land area). Give a free swap to the remaining people to another area. That kind of thing is probably too complicated for them to handle on the existing continents, although that is exactly what good estate managers do. An interesting question is how many regions per person does the typical estate manager handle on a full time basis. That would give you a guide to how many Linden staff it would take to manage the 5,523 mainland regions they do have. We could compare that to the actual number of staff they have doing the job. Simpler than changing region ratings, would be to create new regions when they next need to with zoning in mind, make a block of PG together, and a block of Mature together, but in the current static to declining environment, I dont see them needing to add a bunch of new mainland any time soon. Hell, land prices show there is an oversupply right now (between 1500 or so homesteads and 300 Zindra regions, the grid has grown a lot in the past month, but the demand for land has not) |
Gummo Zaks
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07-28-2009 11:58
So tomorow makes a whole month since tickets were started....who's dtill not done from day one
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Innula Zenovka
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"its not going to be in the next few weeks ..." but "...there's an end in sight"....
07-28-2009 12:18
Blodin was saying at his meeting yesterday that they'd had a whole last minute rush of applications;http://www.slapt.me/wiki/index.php/Zindra_Alliance_-_Blondin_Linden_Meeting_Transcript:_27-07-2009
[11:04] Blondin Linden: A MotD was up all day Friday and emails went out to people on Mature / PG land who were using adult keywords. There was a flood of new tickets and as a result, submissions were accepted through the the weekend. When pressed for a date when the swop process might be finished and the auctions would start, he responded thus: [11:12] Innula Zenovka: dates would be really helpful, Blondin.. you can see, I'm sure, why people want an idea when the auctions are going to start, for example [11:12] Couldbe Yue: Blondin. The other day I asked one of the Gteam what constituted the end of the migration process and he said "when we tell you". This isn't acceptable. What is the defined end of the migration process. I'm not asking for a date just a definition [11:12] Blondin Linden: Jack is going to blog about the auctions [11:12] Innula Zenovka: k [11:12] Innula Zenovka: thanks [11:13] Innula Zenovka: any idea when he is likely to do that [11:13] Blondin Linden: its not going to be in the next few weeks though Im almost certain about that [11:13] Blondin Linden: its going to take that long just to get through the rest of the tickets [11:13] Gavin Hird: so we will see September before the auctions start? [11:13] Blondin Linden: But with the process now closed, theres an end in sight [11:13] Constanza Amsterdam: Some are even starting to tell people to AR CB...... While tickets are being processed. [11:14] Dirk Steinbok reaches over and pats Gavin on the head [11:14] Pine Martinek: Any rough idea when sales are allowed? [11:14] Hypatia Meili: you know a day before email wasnt exzactly sufcient notice [11:14] Blondin Linden: That is a good question. Theres a lot going on around the begining of Sept but I would say right around there. |
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07-28-2009 14:13
A not so subtle reminder to those of you who have a business on Zindra that applications are open for those of you who want to participate in the hunt.
Here's the link to the information http://themarkofzindra.wordpress.com/ and you can see who those who are participating so far (well up until yesterday, I've not processed any applications today, I'll do them tomorrow) Even if you haven't fully moved in yet it's worth considering just to get your name in front of fresh faces. And of course the hunt gives people an incentive to get verified and set adult preferences. If you're a hunt newbie, do consider it as they they are fun and they're not that hard to set up. I know, nag, nag, nag.. _____________________
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07-28-2009 14:15
Got my land today sent request the 1st of July .. bought it but cant get to it to move anything over or.. well to start building ... sim is still closed ..
looks like a lot on the slapt are not updating their status.. as I would think all of day one up until the 1st at 7 pm would be done or WIP ... maybe needing more info and the like _____________________
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Couldbe Yue
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07-28-2009 14:37
this just came across my desktop
http://www.massively.com/2009/07/28/linden-lab-then-and-now-tools-policy-self-perception-and-ant/#comments interesting read.. _____________________
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07-28-2009 15:01
So basically, LL still doesn't know what it is doing, but is more active in not getting there..is that the gist of it?
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Couldbe Yue
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07-28-2009 15:32
pretty much
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Wynochee LeShelle
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07-28-2009 16:06
So basically, LL still doesn't know what it is doing, but is more active in not getting there..is that the gist of it? This. And that these people are constantly on a self-hypnotic/self-hallucination trip. Also they have a talent to be in whatever they talk or do, in opposition to intellectual levels, cultures and education/knowledge, creativity and the abilities of people to be a self-organized, pulsating, organic grown cosmopolitan and multicultural phenomen. Another thread in "residents answers" pointed on Phillp Rosedale "Linden's" favored literature and inspirations. I don't believe a word, and I think the top 5 of the Lindens are inspired by the literature which is printed on dollar notes, but in case it would be true, that there was a sort of "higher" inspiration the "starter" of the whole idea, then Philip started with the wrong and cheap science fiction books. It would be better, if he would have read some Elias Canetti and especially some Gotthard Guenther. They had so much luck with the starter code for this 3D thingy. But then... A management mess. They have not the athletic and not the necessary multi-rational mentality to be ready to accompany a global community and all its diversity. They are far away from to be a "global player", while trying to play with the globe. They try it with a wallpaper and some cheap tricks and some cowboy attitude. The worst thing is, that they try now to "code" their customers - somehow. And their future customers. I have not enough english to bring the whole list of arguments and some tendencies are also more feeling than stable aspects, but: The way how they try to be something and to make people a part of their ideas, can not work and will not work. Not for a long time. Individuality is a complex system and masses of individuals are a much more complex system and often without a system and if, then it is self-developed. The customer base is better described as foam, bubbles, a virtual globe, somehow pulsating organic. Imagine the foam in a bath-tube as picture for the customer base, made of millions of small bubbles. Wrong managed - so to speak - this foam can die. Sit half an hour in a bath-tube full of foam, give some soap in, foam dies. To put all the complexity in a few simple rules and 3 boxes = fail. TAO-illusion was, to "improve the human condition". LOL. They open now a museum and a school and have the chuzpah to still call that "Second Life". They think this makes SL matured and the company matured. But it is just boredom par excellence. The thrill was, from my view, all the years, to see chaos becoming self-structured and the constant input of new chaos (by new residents) was able to hold the above mentioned foam alive, means the tense between self-organisation and chaos, by older and newer users. The next customer generation will enter a pre-structured thing with much verboten-guard railings. Looks clean then. Like a museum. And we know: in a museum are only *dead things* stored, which are out of progress and done. A museum is a graveyard for things. In case of SL, it will be a graveyard for the former grown spirit. |
Cal Kondo
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07-28-2009 17:26
At last! After a month, including re-opening my ticket twice and being stuck in "work in progress" for 12 days. I got my swap today.
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Gummo Zaks
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07-28-2009 17:57
At last! After a month, including re-opening my ticket twice and being stuck in "work in progress" for 12 days. I got my swap today. Details Details!! |
Wynochee LeShelle
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07-28-2009 18:09
At last! After a month, including re-opening my ticket twice and being stuck in "work in progress" for 12 days. I got my swap today. Congrats ![]() |
Cal Kondo
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07-28-2009 18:20
Details Details!! I thought I had a good argument that the product sold on my land was only suitable for targeting an adult market. After a few goes I guess I persuaded LL of that, or maybe they gave me the land to make me go away. |
Ian Nider
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07-28-2009 18:41
Congratulations Cal! Hang in there Gummo, everyone is rooting for ya!
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Gummo Zaks
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07-28-2009 18:51
Congratulations Cal! Hang in there Gummo, everyone is rooting for ya! Lol ...... 2009/07/28 16:54] Amber Linden: (Saved Tue Jul 28 19:30:19 2009) Gummo I found it. The ticket has now been moved to a review queue. Thanks for your continued patience! My fingers are crossed! |
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07-28-2009 18:56
Lol ...... 2009/07/28 16:54] Amber Linden: (Saved Tue Jul 28 19:30:19 2009) Gummo I found it. The ticket has now been moved to a review queue. Thanks for your continued patience! My fingers are crossed! Excellent ![]() _____________________
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