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@Bhakta: No idea if you will ever read this as you say this was your last visit to this forum.

Take indeed a few days off this forum until the anger is gone. Then rea back what people said to you. Especially Valerius went a long way to explain, and you are not doing him (her?) justice here. For the rest, I wish you a good first and second life

Cheers, Marcel

I'm going to say that I agree with you somewhat that LL didn't make things "clear and simple". They were nebulous and obfuscating from the start, and any useful information they provided was buried and hard to find. You have every right to be angry with them. I have no dog in the fight and I am totally disguisted with them and their handling of this.

Where I differ with you is your anger towrds those here in the forum. Most have worked really hard to try to make things clear and simple, from Lord and CouldBe on down. They tried to put all that was known in aeasy to find places, and discuss it as much as possible.

I don't say that your not getting a plot was your ault at all, you did whatever you did, and LL did the rest. I do feel your anget toward the people here is unjustified. Nobody is gloating. They are making do with what they have in the situation. I suggest stepping back, taking a break, and just see how things develop. I also recommend not sniping at any current Zindran. Some of them seem like very nice people, and probably would be willing to help someone like you once they get settled. I don't like the whole idea, but it is what it is.The best way to give LL the finger would be to turn Zindra into something special. Show people that sex isn't dirty, it doesn't have to be sleazy, and need to be hidden. That is the challenge I would give to those who settle there.

A ticket submitted on July 25th (the end of the time period for submitting them), has been finished today (as in: land set for sale). The info is on the slapt.me page.

I am sure that there are still open tickets that had some complications, but the main queue seems finally done. That means whatever the next step is for adult content, its no longer on hold.

Well, of course I agree with that! But I'd like to think that a neighbor would drop me an IM asking me to take up the prims before submitting an AR.

In this case, there was a small phantom tropical island with a few animated waves sort of crashing on the rocks, and a small phantom waterfall in an equally phantom sculpted prim channel so probably a grand total of a dozen prims, 3 or 4 with water animated textures, and that's all. extending into protected water, with no neighbors to speak of nearby.

The island in question was literally almost dead center of the shoreline of our parcel, which is almost half a sim all told, so there weren't any neighbors to bother. so, I'm guessing that it was a case of the right linden not knowing what the left linden was doing.

I'll talk to my group co-owner and get the info from her and ask if she wants to follow up with a question and a link to blondin's words. We already know that some lindens do it for the phenomenal cosmic power, rather than to serve the residents- maybe we just got one of those.

^V^

Well, the rest of us think it's ugly too that's why we didn't want to move here, and spent a few months trying to talk LL (the compassionate and merciful) out of making us do so. I suppose that you could call that a self-righteous and pontifical attitude if you like, but what *I* was reacting to was the implication that those of us who got the swap had somehow been given some sort of valuable prize, rather than being throw a bone by LL (may their name define the concept of generosity for eons to come) because they were wrecking our Second Lives and businesses.
You made it sound like *only* the people who weren't granted a swap had something to complain about, and that the rest of us were being treated like royalty or something.

I personally believe that the whole "adult content" fiasco goes something like this:

-LL (may they have a thousand children who all send cards at christmas) decides to get ahead of the curve when they notice that a bunch of parent's groups and crusading government types are setting up another attack in indecency on the internet. They realize though, that adult goods and services represent a good chunk of the SL economy, so they bring in "merchants and landowners" (i.e. the ones that pay the most tier) to ask them "How do you think we should do this?"

-Either the "merchants and landowners" are high on cough syrup that day, or LL (from whom all bessings flow) is, because they come up with a plan that won't please anyone, and as an added bonus, won't solve their problem.

-They nail down all the parts of the plan for about 6 months, and then make a *very* quiet announcement about it on the blog and start a forum thread. they appoint Blondin as lightning rod to keep us busy yelling at him as though he can do anything about *anything*. They also don't give the details of the plan to everyone on the team, or they use *really* vague terms to define the affected content, so that nobody really knows what is affected and what isn't, and everyone you ask gives a different answer to similar questions.

Some people on the forums, and some who read the blog post realize that this is going to be a *big* deal, and we (almost) all begin to try to talk LL(who shall smite the infidel and succor the meek) out of this catastrophically bad idea. for the next three months we bang our heads against LL's(may they live long and prosper) wall, and finally when it comes down to the wire, we apply for the swap because the only other choice is to go out of business. we mostly get crappy land, stupid builds, and nonsensical parceling. A few of us are happy, the rest, not so much.

and the swap system is just as big an atrocity as the rest of this train wreck- For *everyone* involved, whether they are actually able to swap their land for zindra plots or not.

^V^

P.S. The epithets were a joke- sort of an ironic comment on the idea that I'm a Linden Labs dancing chimp.

hehe...the epithets were the best part of an elegant summation to an ugly mess.

Well I guess I got lucky, all my neighbors in Fuson seem very nice and cooperative. One put up some 40x40 mega signs at full bright and when I asked nicely in am IM he removed the ones that you could see out my space station windows.

In fact we are now working together to build a futuristic themed 7seas fishing and vehicle rezzing area right on the Linden road on the land in-between us that we just acquired.

Besides the whole swapping and moving in fiasco and the interminable wait it hasn't been that bad. Not good by a long shot but not that bad either.

In the history of SL and their really stupid decisions and incompetent follow through this is basically SOP! lol

I do have to say the parceling cut was really badly done. They could have at least trained the people doing these swaps to cut land in a somewhat orderly fashion.

LL throws up on us and we get together and make the best of it.

They really need someone in LL to oversee these types of sweeping policy changes and make sure the people who pay their salaries are heard.

call me cynic, but it seems that it's a co-incidence that the swap tickets were actually finished on the day jack said they would be and a few hours later the content management blog post comes out.

It looks like there's a new shiny to distract LL and the adult content stuff will fade into the background as its importance has dropped. I'm now pretty certain that we've been hung out to dry and only their corporate action to confirm the clean up search using that job they ran will make me believe any different.

As an aside..

I can't wait to see what finally ends up here on Zindra at the end of the swap. With the best will in the world it doesn't even look like 2% let alone 4% and the content on the whole is a lot tamer than I expected. Extreme it certainly isn't, unless you use something like Little House on the Prairie as the benchmark for raunchiness.

cleaning up smut and cleaning up content theft. They certainly have had a big PR year.

The swap tickets ARE NOT finished.

Are you still in the queue or do you know of someone who is? If you do/are then update the slapt wiki : http://www.slapt.me/wiki/index.php/Governance_Team_Actions

by the look of it under this heading
Tickets That We Do Not Have Updates On (New or Ticket holder has not provided info):

or IM one of us to do it for you


~Brie

I didn't say they are ALL done, I said they had caught up on the queue, meaning at least one ticket submitted on the last day has been completed. As I stated above, I am sure there are still outstanding tickets that have complications, were re-opened, etc, so they are not all completed, but we are at the point where the first pass thru the queue is done.

That was me and my assumption that because Nina had said last Friday they'd done a last day ticket along with your statement yesterday that another had completed that they finally had gone through.

Of course it's unlikely Blondin will give a status report tonight but it would be nice to think we might get some kind of indication out of him

Thanks Couldbe and Brie!

I'll give it a couple of more days, before I sic the two of you onto LL.

And yes, I've been keeping slapt wiki up-to-date. The status is currently WIP.

Then you really do need to get onto live help and have a chat. a few times now people have had it sorted within hours this way. It looks like the tickets are being assigned to people and are being opened and not actioned then the person who opened it has wandered off and forgot to tell anyone..

so do it now while there's still a few business hours in the day..

[insert finger wagging time here]

I have tried Live chat 2 times now with the same I can't help you but I will escalate the ticket to the zindra team... and then 2 days later I get a comment on the ticket we will work on this ASAP -

to be fair I have the land - just still can't get to it and still have the original mainland although everything is packed up! so I am complete 7/28 but still WIP as noted in the slaptme wiki

you guys down south are unlucky in that there's no imperative on their part to finish and release. Tbh I can't understand what the problem is. It just appears to be spite. The rest of the continent was brought up quickly when needed and yet for some reason that patch just somehow keeps being overlooked.

The only other thing I can suggest is Jacks office hour and the guy who runs the moles (Michael??) office hour..

Yep. Michael is the master of the moles.

Recapping for those who aren't aware of this issue.

There is a block of sims in the south that show up on map, but weren't accessable, AND we were told a while back (I dont recall who) that we could request regions that we knew about to be brought online that some people requested in the swap.

These sims have been slowly being given or sold, though several are still available (as far as I'm able to cam into them), and only with fierce requesting, has any of them been given access.

I was told by one of the first to get land there that he thought there was some kind of texturing issue as to be the reason they weren't "finished"

I've been asking about this to about any Linden who will listen, and a lot that don't seem to be, with almost zero response, being told countless times "I don't know anything and I cant help you" or being ferreted to another department.

Left Blondin's meeting in the middle to ask Michael, who said it wasn't a LPDW issue, it was a migration team issue. I've spoken with at LEAST the following migration team members about this: Amber, Brent, Sejong, Minerva, Harmony, Teeple and Teagan, as well as a couple of Live Help chats with TJ and Mia, told in varying formats, "I can't help you, I don't know anything, and can't do anything" since the 11th of July. I've asked Blondin two weeks ago, I asked Jack more than that, and at last check (Jack is ignoring me completely and I wasn't at this meeting, but someone brought it up) Jack said "he thinks he knows what sims we are talking about and they should be ready 'soon'"

I watched Sejong try to take back land swapped, AND sold to someone in Jevenobe (A non accessable one, by the way, right next to ours) thinking it was a mistake until I talked fast and loud, explaining that that entire block of sims has gone through the same thing. I/we/the others only gained access by fighting for it, and while I/we can build on ours, we still cannot buy it because we are waiting on the texturing issue (we don't feel it was done properly) and the land has not been cut to size yet (some areas have, some has not)

This issue has been "escalated" to Teeple, who for all intents and purposes, has not found out why, nor has done anything about the rest of the sims in this area.

The only good thing I can say is after Blondin's 8-5-09 meeting, I saw some activity in those sims, and I did spot Michael there, who said he was having Guy Linden look into it. Though I did try talking to Guy a while back about it, he didn't answer, and did not respond to me this time when I suspect he was also in those sims.

This entire thing is a disgusting example of the shoddiness of the entire project. and it sickens me to realize (as someone at Blondin's said) They cant seem to finish one thing without moving onto something else.

This should have been given priority over fixing road glow, and anything of that nature. But I can't say I haven't tried. Jack and Blondin have known about it for weeks.

*sighs, closes her mouth and shakes her head*

Update!

Some, but not all, of these southern sims are now accessable!

Congratulations, at last you can get on properly, good luck

thanks for the Update Tumbleweed I will go look my "escalated Ticket " is still sitting with no asap reply LMAO .. maybe I can get to my land and at least measure and plan !\
:EDIT:

Well I can not get to my plot yet but, it looks like they have been working N to S and W to E on them noticed a new owner across the river from me ( well Hold for ****** Linden) Verifying allow region land sale is in the Description.. and they re terraformed what I had done on the edge of my plot , but my 2 trees I created (can't see them) are still on the lot.. Also looks like the textures have been re done or changed for the better I think.. nothing like ALT cam Alt Cam at 512 Draw to see anything LOL

So hopefully I will wake up to a nice can access message tomorrow!

Seems your wish has been granted, hope I helped get it open for you, talked to Michael (again) and Guy about it (he never responded)

Your my Hero Tumbleweed!

thank you

now I can get to work .. what to do what to do.... I think I am going to have an anxiety attack LOL

How is everyone doing? How many tickets are still unfinished? What are the latest enormities uttered by the "AO team"? Things have been pretty dead lately- not that there's anything *wrong* with that! (said the vampire )

^V^