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Brieanne Bomazi
Don't forget the *E*
Join date: 29 Jan 2005
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07-28-2009 20:40
From: Gummo Zaks Lol ...... 2009/07/28 16:54] Amber Linden: (Saved Tue Jul 28 19:30:19 2009) Gummo I found it. The ticket has now been moved to a review queue. Thanks for your continued patience!
My fingers are crossed! We are rooting for you Gummo... As a side note... if anyone needs help updating their tickets on the wiki, drop me an IM in world, i can help...  ~Brie
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Soar Wingtips
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Join date: 3 Dec 2007
Posts: 162
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Pg??????????
07-29-2009 09:17
Quote: [11:04] Blondin Linden: A MotD was up all day Friday and emails went out to people on Mature / PG land who were using adult keywords. There was a flood of new tickets and as a result, submissions were accepted through the the weekend.
Why are they emailing PG, they are doing swops on PG land that I understood is just a cuddle area, does that mean if you have a pg region and a tenant has an adult bed you get to move??
LOL
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Couldbe Yue
one unhappy customer
Join date: 30 Mar 2008
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07-29-2009 09:49
From: Soar Wingtips Quote: [11:04] Blondin Linden: A MotD was up all day Friday and emails went out to people on Mature / PG land who were using adult keywords. There was a flood of new tickets and as a result, submissions were accepted through the the weekend.
Why are they emailing PG, they are doing swops on PG land that I understood is just a cuddle area, does that mean if you have a pg region and a tenant has an adult bed you get to move??
LOL I think you'll find that there have been people selling and advertising adult goods and services on pg land.
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Ryanna Enfield
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Join date: 26 Dec 2005
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07-29-2009 18:30
Why are the Lindens still refusing to admit that the Adult Content Policy changes affect everyone? An email should have been sent out to EVERYONE in SL informing them of the changes and what to do in order to become Account Verified and compliant with the new TOS and CS. What is the point of keeping the changes a big obscure secret? MOTD for less than 24-hours is just not good enough. LL, you can do better. I could give a rat's behind about the Xstreet Summer Promo, and you all managed to inform me of that via email just fine. That to me is spam. Informing me of important changes to how I use Second Life via email is NOT spam, it is communicating with your customers.
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Argent Stonecutter
Emergency Mustelid
Join date: 20 Sep 2005
Posts: 20,263
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07-29-2009 18:39
From: Ryanna Enfield Why are the Lindens still refusing to admit that the Adult Content Policy changes affect everyone? Gotta keep that spin under control.
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Soar Wingtips
Registered User
Join date: 3 Dec 2007
Posts: 162
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07-30-2009 02:33
From: Couldbe Yue I think you'll find that there have been people selling and advertising adult goods and services on pg land. So that suggests if you have pg land and tenants put in sex beds you are entitled to move, not be AR'd this does not make sense, that pg use always has been pg, there has never been a question mark over that, so now Linden reward them for breaking their rules, and leave people on mature land in a position where they cannot move because at the moment they are not using the land to its full spectrum of uses, and now cannot, so their investment is dwindling everyday, look at land prices, near protected waterfront 2.2 linden m2. Ok we got to move some of ours, but still have many m2 of mature that is now restricted use.
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Wynochee LeShelle
Polykontexturalist
Join date: 3 Feb 2007
Posts: 658
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Secret wanted?
07-30-2009 03:36
From: Ryanna Enfield Why are the Lindens still refusing to admit that the Adult Content Policy changes affect everyone? An email should have been sent out to EVERYONE in SL informing them of the changes and what to do in order to become Account Verified and compliant with the new TOS and CS. What is the point of keeping the changes a big obscure secret? MOTD for less than 24-hours is just not good enough. LL, you can do better. I could give a rat's behind about the Xstreet Summer Promo, and you all managed to inform me of that via email just fine. That to me is spam. Informing me of important changes to how I use Second Life via email is NOT spam, it is communicating with your customers. This is an old tactic of military psychology, often seen in NATO or US-military speakers press conferences: Never talk about collateral damages! To prevent to land one time in an international tribunal court. Here the same tactic is done by the ambition to prevent a complete customer revolt and to minimalize the risk to be sued as company, in case one or more individuals of the whole customer base would have enough anger and courage to do that. Every single Office Hour gives a hint that LL is inspired by such press conferences. You can ask and argue with J. and B. what you want, but every so called "answer" is leading into No Man's-Land. Same with the CEO and all the other weak non courage persons. They know that they are wrong and unfair, incomeptent and on a self-hypnotic biz trip and as result they are living in fear of their customers. So they hide everything behind blurry blabla and silence while trying to give as less information as possible to the smallest number of alert and quick-witted customers as possible. To watch color drying at the wall is much more informative than to have a talk with a "Linden".
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Couldbe Yue
one unhappy customer
Join date: 30 Mar 2008
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07-30-2009 03:38
From: Soar Wingtips So that suggests if you have pg land and tenants put in sex beds you are entitled to move, not be AR'd this does not make sense, that pg use always has been pg, there has never been a question mark over that, so now Linden reward them for breaking their rules, and leave people on mature land in a position where they cannot move because at the moment they are not using the land to its full spectrum of uses, and now cannot, so their investment is dwindling everyday, look at land prices, near protected waterfront 2.2 linden m2. Ok we got to move some of ours, but still have many m2 of mature that is now restricted use. Nothing down the last 4 1/2 months that LL has done could ever be accused of being fair or consistent. The speed and lack of thought that went into this is amply demonstrated by the sheer unprofessionalism of the email - the date, the contents, the lack of a slurl so people even know what plot it is LL were talking about... This whole policy is based on clearing up search - the land prices, wrong people getting the swap, the complete amateurism and lack of preparation that went into the move period itself and a lot of the other fallout we've seen was never factored into their calculations, simply because they don't work like that. Whether we like it or not that's just the way they operate. Sad but true.
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DanielRavenNest Noe
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07-30-2009 04:42
From: Couldbe Yue This whole policy is based on clearing up search - the land prices, wrong people getting the swap, the complete amateurism and lack of preparation that went into the move period itself and a lot of the other fallout we've seen was never factored into their calculations, simply because they don't work like that.
Whether we like it or not that's just the way they operate.
Sad but true.
I've started to think of them that way...despite *owning* second life, they are comparative amateurs at *using* it. We outnumber them 800,000 to 300, and when you count out the overhead people who don't actually log in (receptionist, corporate accountant, etc), the ratio is even worse. They used to use an image from the movie 2001 when the grid went down, with monkeys with bones banging on a monolith. Think of them that way, laugh a bit, but don't expect professionalism. If you want that, you would need to go to an IBM/opensim managed grid. I've gotten a few laughs from them referring to stuff I wrote, cause its more professional and correct than their info, and some satisfaction seeing our predictions being exactly right. Doesn't make it fun, or their policies right, but angst over the way things are is just wasted energy in my book.
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Ciaran Laval
Mostly Harmless
Join date: 11 Mar 2007
Posts: 7,951
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07-30-2009 05:08
From: Soar Wingtips So that suggests if you have pg land and tenants put in sex beds you are entitled to move, not be AR'd this does not make sense, that pg use always has been pg, there has never been a question mark over that, so now Linden reward them for breaking their rules, and leave people on mature land in a position where they cannot move because at the moment they are not using the land to its full spectrum of uses, and now cannot, so their investment is dwindling everyday, look at land prices, near protected waterfront 2.2 linden m2. Ok we got to move some of ours, but still have many m2 of mature that is now restricted use. No, the email went out to people who had filtered words in their PG or Mature land descriptions or in their classified adverts. There was a time when you did not need to indicate whether a classified contained mature content so many recurring adverts end up being found in PG search. They are also just words, search doesn't filter on a contextual basis. Someone might decide that knee high leather boots are suitable for the BDSM market and include that in their description, however the boots themselves aren't adult material.
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Soar Wingtips
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Join date: 3 Dec 2007
Posts: 162
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07-30-2009 09:43
From: Ciaran Laval No, the email went out to people who had filtered words in their PG or Mature land descriptions or in their classified adverts. There was a time when you did not need to indicate whether a classified contained mature content so many recurring adverts end up being found in PG search.
They are also just words, search doesn't filter on a contextual basis. Someone might decide that knee high leather boots are suitable for the BDSM market and include that in their description, however the boots themselves aren't adult material. Well that just shows what a mess it is tempting to just get the change for all the pg areas and be done with it, Linden dont support pg areas and they as dam dont support themselves now
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Wynochee LeShelle
Polykontexturalist
Join date: 3 Feb 2007
Posts: 658
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Jack is NOT pregnant!
07-30-2009 12:43
Good, here are the messages of the day: http://www.slapt.me/wiki/index.php/Office_Hours_Transcript_-_Jack_Linden:_07-30-2009http://www.slapt.me/wiki/index.php/Office_Hours_Transcript_-_Jack_Linden:_07-30-2009Some funny highlights in advance everyone? From: someone
[11:04] Jack Linden: hehe not pork flu thankfully, just a cold
From: someone
[11:05] Jack Linden: and i'm fairly sure i'm not pregnant
From: someone
[11:24] Jack Linden: ..., if you mean do we value openness and honesty, we absolutely do
From: someone
[11:54] Jack Linden: ..., if people want to move to Zindra they will be able to buy at auction soon
From: someone
[11:58] Jack Linden: i believe art is fine if it's non commercial
...  Excellent laugh again. ...
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Dekka Raymaker
thinking very hard
Join date: 4 Feb 2007
Posts: 3,898
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07-30-2009 14:46
From: someone [11:58] Jack Linden: i believe art is fine if it's non commercial . What utter crap, art is art period, what an asshole statement, he could have said it's art if I like it.
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Ciaran Laval
Mostly Harmless
Join date: 11 Mar 2007
Posts: 7,951
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07-30-2009 15:10
From: Dekka Raymaker What utter crap, art is art period, what an asshole statement, he could have said it's art if I like it. He did say "I believe", Jack is not on the adult content policy team in terms of suitable content, he's involved in the land migration, he used to refer people to Blondin.
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Couldbe Yue
one unhappy customer
Join date: 30 Mar 2008
Posts: 1,532
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07-30-2009 15:13
From: Ciaran Laval He did say "I believe", Jack is not on the adult content policy team in terms of suitable content, he's involved in the land migration, he used to refer people to Blondin. I believe?? I wonder if Jack and Blondin swapped meetings this week. It certainly wasn't blondin there yesterday - despite what the av said
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Gummo Zaks
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Join date: 27 Oct 2008
Posts: 228
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07-30-2009 15:19
Did anyone post blondin's on slapt?
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Couldbe Yue
one unhappy customer
Join date: 30 Mar 2008
Posts: 1,532
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07-30-2009 15:24
From: Gummo Zaks Did anyone post blondin's on slapt? we talked about it but there was actually very little of it worth posting, so I don't know. btw - where's your hunt application.. ??? hmmm???
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Gummo Zaks
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07-30-2009 15:26
From: Couldbe Yue we talked about it but there was actually very little of it worth posting, so I don't know.
btw - where's your hunt application.. ??? hmmm??? Have to have a ticket that's not sitting at WIP for two weeks in order to be in the hunt
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Couldbe Yue
one unhappy customer
Join date: 30 Mar 2008
Posts: 1,532
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nag, nag, nag...
07-30-2009 15:28
It must be that time of the night again when I feel the need to nag people... So here's the repost.. From: someone We're looking for businesses to participate in the first ever Zindra grid hunt. This hunt is designed to raise awareness of the kinds of businesses in Zindra as well as exposing the hunt merchants to potential new customers. http://themarkofzindra.wordpress.com/2009/07/26/hunt-merchant-information/We're using Jim Gustafson's hunt system (the happy smiley hunt) for this so it will be both a traditional treasure hunt and a competition with prizes for the most boxes found. you can read the overview here: http://themarkofzindra.wordpress.com/The basics... * It will run from 22 August - 6 Sept * Applications in by 1 August * Zindra businesses only The rest of the merchant requirements are just the normal hunt stuff about advertising, putting boxes out, original content most of you know the drill. the good bit is you can be as evil as you like in hiding the boxes.  Have a read of the web pages and if you've got any questions drop me a line inworld. Those new to the world of being a merchant in a hunt are welcome, they're pretty straightforward things and they can be fun. Here's the list of businesses so far.. http://themarkofzindra.wordpress.com/2009/07/27/participating-zindra-businesses/pretty damn paltry considering we're supposed to be 2-4% of the grid...
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Couldbe Yue
one unhappy customer
Join date: 30 Mar 2008
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07-30-2009 15:33
From: Gummo Zaks Have to have a ticket that's not sitting at WIP for two weeks in order to be in the hunt ahhh.. well hang in there.. when you at least know what land you've got drop me the notecard.. we'll be able to slip you in (so to speak  )
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Distilled1 Rush
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Join date: 29 Jul 2006
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07-30-2009 15:40
well I want to get in on the hunt but I can't even get to my land! I own it, or its in my name, but can't get to it I don't have access! ROFL isn't that great? at least I made it in.. although I am still WIP on the ticket.
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Lord Sullivan
DTC at all times :)
Join date: 15 Dec 2005
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07-31-2009 01:56
From: Distilled1 Rush well I want to get in on the hunt but I can't even get to my land! I own it, or its in my name, but can't get to it I don't have access! ROFL isn't that great? at least I made it in.. although I am still WIP on the ticket. There had been a problem with some sims when they were first set up, I cannot remember exactly whether it was Jack or Blondin but it was acknowledged as a problem at one of the meetings if I get time I will have a look through the transcripts and see if I can find the reference. It might be worth filing another ticket asking what is going on so you don't get caught with double tier if you are not keeping your old land. 
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DanielRavenNest Noe
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07-31-2009 03:03
From: Distilled1 Rush well I want to get in on the hunt but I can't even get to my land! I own it, or its in my name, but can't get to it I don't have access! ROFL isn't that great? at least I made it in.. although I am still WIP on the ticket. Or got to live chat and say you own the land, but can't enter the region. We assume you have the adult settings active and can get to other parts of Zindra. They may need to kick it to backroom tech support, but not being able to get in is an in-world technical problem that they should fix right away, not waiting days for a ticket.
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Kara Spengler
Pink Cat
Join date: 11 Jun 2007
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07-31-2009 03:54
From: DanielRavenNest Noe OThey may need to kick it to backroom tech support, but not being able to get in is an in-world technical problem that they should fix right away, not waiting days for a ticket. LOL! Like their ticket response is at all fast. I have been sitting for 3 days on a 'my IP was mistakenly banned, I know mistakenly as I have a clean record'.
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Jill Winger
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07-31-2009 03:56
From: Distilled1 Rush well I want to get in on the hunt but I can't even get to my land! I own it, or its in my name, but can't get to it I don't have access! ROFL isn't that great? at least I made it in.. although I am still WIP on the ticket. What sim is your land in? I had the same problem in Porten Hill and Glumdale (which, 3 weeks after our ticket was processed STILL aren't ready - but at least we talked them into letting us build on them to get started) and I'll have a little "chat" with whoever I can about yours also. I expect very very "soon" to be clearing this up. Yes, again, there is that block of SE lands that, in reading between the lines of what various Lindens have said, fell between the cracks and are to this day still being overlooked. At least two Lindens were surprised *we* could see those sims on the map. They weren't ready, and still aren't *finished* Why LL would give them to people and then move on to whatever the heck they *are* working on without coming back to finish them is beyond me.
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