New Zindra Blog Post

Best bet is to go here..

http://slurl.com/secondlife/mosh///

...then open the map - that'll let you see the zindra continent.

edit: the southern parts of the continent are probably where you want to be - bigger parcels there and you're more likely to find something that's not already taken.

Cheers, Sindy. You're a lifesaver.

Zindra is much smaller than I expected.

Where's the giant pink penis?

Persephone watch out for the empty sims in the South East corner that are not accessible!!!

I got one even bought it but still can not get to it, Live help can't help , new ticket hasn't helped yet.. seems the sims are not ready and as well from Blondins meeting sounds like LL has even tried to take back plots that were swapped.

just an FYI - I took the chance on it and no I wait wait wait (but at least they are nice and empty and not over crowded or full of glowing trees! )

http://slurl.com/secondlife/Conroy/223/226/55

Oh, of course. Its my fault....silly me.

LOL, thanks. I'm on my way ...

Zindra's a girl. look at all the curves!

^V^

Well, no, it isn't, at least in the broader view. If you are arguing the principle of the thing, then it is LL's fault for not offering the swap to everyone they swindled by selling "mature" land and then changing the content rules for it. If you approached this wanting to force LL to confront the unfairness of it all, and didn't *expect* a swap, then no, it's not your fault.
Frankly, I think that you have an actionable complaint, but I'm no lawyer.
See Couldbe's posts about how to contact the US federal trade commission to file a complaint.

However, if you are upset on a *personal* level about being turned down for a swap, then there are some things that you could have done to make it more likely. These fora, the brown bags, and the statements by Blondin and Jack have been bandied about for the last few months and the slapt-me wiki has had the swap criteria listed for a while now.
You're here- and you've been in other Fora as well, so you knew what they were looking for, and didn't provide it. Many of us told you what to do to get the ruling reversed-

"Quote Blondin" we said. "Blondin *said* that he didn't think that a public sex venue that wasn't commercial would be turned down- that the fact that it wasn't private would be enough".

So yes, it would be your fault for not doing these things.

It's not as if you would have been lying or trying to scam- you have adult activities that are open to the public. You simply needed to *say* so in your land description using filtered terms, and then pay a few lindens to advertise it. Done and done.
You had information from all of us about what they were looking for, and even how *thin* the veneer of "adult content" had to be. And we're talking *thin*. Even Cheddar and Ray Burdeyna got the swap!

Hell, the land near mine that got taken away and then abandoned was apparently given back, and the current owner has one little store with a Strokerz vendor in it. I'm guessing that it will keep this "adult content" for precisely as long as it take for LL to allow selling, and then it will be on the market.

So the threshold for the swap isn't all *that* high

I'm really not trying to be a pain here, Bhakta. But your attitude towards the people who *did* get the swap is exactly the sort of thing that LL is hoping for- Divide and conquer, right? We got the swap because LL made the rules about who would get it, and we followed those rules. We have businesses that require Adult land, and *not* trying for the swap would have been tantamount to throwing our businesses away. It'd not *our* fault that we matched up with LL's screwy logic about who should get a swap and who shouldn't.

We all need to stick together- frankly, I've also heard of people on these fora who are willing to sell small plots to people who didn't get the swap, and sell them for a reasonable rate, not an inflated "nautilus/bay city" price. I'm thinking that we've created something of a community here, and the only thing that can break it up is *us*, and if we don't want that to happen, we need to treat each other well, and not start pointing fingers at anyone but Linden labs for this awful situation.

I'm sorry that you didn't get the swap, and I'm sorry that *everyone who wants it* isn't getting the swap. It's a big, fat swindle and it sucks. I'm even sorry that LL decided to do the whole AC plan in the first place. It was stupid, pointless and completely incompetent.

But I'm *not* sorry that My group, or anyone else that needed it, *did* get the swap. I'm not going to bitch about anyone who uses their land for their Adult content business or recreation. I'll bitch about Land Barons who only bought it to sell, but that's it.

I'm hoping that we can do something with Zindra that LL doesn't expect- I'm hoping that it turns out that Zindra will be where the cool stuff lives- that the most talented and ingenious builders, scripters, and artists can build something here that will make "gerbilville" look like the atrocity it is. Not that it'll take much work- *flat grass* would make "gerbilville" look like an atrocity

Anyway, I hope that we can work together and I hope that you can get in for cheap once the auctions hit- I know that there are people out there committed to sell parcels at regular mainland prices. Hopefully, they will do so when the time comes.

^V^

Just to not exclude the other half of the human population, there should be also a giant pink vagina.

Since 2 and a half year on the grid, I see - or better to say - I saw only giant pink penises and flying small penises and not one single giant female sculpture genital.

Hmm, hmm, hmm.

Maybe, because it is easier to build a male thing...



K, Zindra is a chance to finally build both.

Latest Zindra meeting transcript at slapt.me

http://www.slapt.me/wiki/index.php/Zindra_Alliance_-_Blondin_Linden_Meeting_Transcript:_03-08-2009

Surely Zindra has the Grand Tetons!

I saw this comment:



Just to let everyone know, our group got AR'd for having a small prim island with a couple of crashing surf waves "extending" into protected water. the prims were all located on our parcel, but they poked out over the boundary and were phantom. Blondin might want to contact the G-team about this one.

^V^

p.s. Just found out that the co-owner of my group was threatened with account suspension, and the linden who busted her said that it was called "encroachment", and was a ban-able offense. So yeah, Blondin might want to check his facts

Your sort of full of it. First of all, they were not totally clear about what they wanted until near the end of the entire lying process. Second of all, you think its my fault I did not think of a good lie for them so I could get a swap that they should have been willing to give to me. I think you work for LL.

Oh, why settle for a run-of-the-mill vagina? THIS is what you need:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vagina_dentata

That's the new hiring policy: "Keep your friends close and your enemies closer."

No, I think that it's LL's fault that they weren't willing to give you a swap, and your fault that you applied for a swap without advertising your land first, and putting filtered search terms in the land description.

If you actually *have* commercial adult content, then you're not lying. If you even have publicly accessible adult content, then you aren't lying. You weren't being asked to lie. we were suggesting that you tell the truth in the most vulgar possible terms.

However, if saying that you have such content would have been a lie, then I completely understand your reluctance. I respect your desire to be truthful, and I sympathize with your situation,

but Linden Labs decided that commercial Adult content would be required to move to either Zindra or an Adult flagged Island. They then built a completely awful place to herd us into. They Parceled it as inconveniently as possible, came up with that godawful "gerbil village Meets Tron" motif and decided that what the perverts *really* want is "green technology". They they used about the dumbest looking buildings they could find, the laggiest roads, and the most boring terrain, and said "Behold! your paradise!"

Sure, the businesses get to swap perfectly good mainland for this crap without paying extra for it, but we are *still* being forced to do it, and none of us *want* to. the adult businesses get to go first, so there will be something to *do* on Zindra, and people won't avoid it like the plague. They are *using* us and our content to encourage people to account/age verify, and to make a few more bucks off auctioning Zindra parcels


But nobody on this forum (that I know of) was "on the inside" of all of this plotting and scheming, and again, I sympathize. I just am pointing out that even if you *had* an adult business, you still would have been *forced* to move. Just like the rest of us. It sucks, but our choice was apply for the swap and lose access to every *unverified* customer, or go out of business. Not much of a choice.

So it's not like they gave us tea and cakes, okay? The swappers got screwed too.

I just think that arguing over who got screwed worse directs the anger away from the people who really deserve it, LInden Labs.

^V^

P.S. I am not a linden. they wouldn't *want* me to be a linden. I'd spend all the linden meetings telling people how full of shit they were.

I have one of those, hangs out into ursula bay... and have been getting compliments from the Lindens that have seen it...you must have got the asshat Gteam member O.o

And also...


If V did work for LL, this might not have been such a clusterf**k from the beginning. They were perfectly clear...to a point, about what qualified you for a move... commercialized sexual content. Content providers, service providers. Free sex providers, as long it was public, commercial. Plain and simple. People that wanted (read-were required) a move, I'd say at least 90% of them honest, got a swap. Some others sexed up their land, placed an ad, and got a swap. If you, for whatever reason didn't, Blame the lindens. File an appeal. Bitch at them. Don't be pissed cause we followed along and figured it out, and you didn't.

~brie

I got that one a few weeks back too, so welcome to the community

Unfortunately and no matter how much we pretend otherwise, the idea of us smut peddlers sticking together to make the best of the move is mostly fantasy.

If you haven't already, cast your eye over the transcript from the Zindra meeting last week. It ended with an ugly mob baying to AR everything in sight. So Bhakta's attitude is far more representative of the general behaviour of a lot of those involved with this on both sides.

I've got so say that I'm glad this isn't real life as the overtones of Rwanda, Eastern Europe under Soviet occupation et al are rather obvious and repellent. Just goes to show that in a brave new world the old world traits come with us.

I would get her to reply to the G Team with the URL of the transcript and the quote from Blondin and ask them to explain why the Lindens still continue to not sing off of the same song sheet then post the reply to the slapt.me wiki

Blodin's original comment was made in the "matters arising" bit of the Zindra Alliance meeting on July 20 http://www.slapt.me/wiki/index.php/Zindra_Alliance_-_Blondin_Linden_Meeting_Transcript:_20-07-2009 My question, for what it's worth, was, in the light of this, would I be able to make something rezzed inside my shop that put some phantom greenery and flowers on the bare and featureless strip of protected land that runs along the front of my plot.

I wasn't going to do anything until I'd had firm confirmation from him, since to my mind there's a difference between putting stuff on protected sea and protected land, and I didn't feel confident relying on something that started and it looks like I was prudent in this.

I honestly doubt they would make a firm policy statement on this because it's *all* "edge cases."

One problem is neighbors, and the fact that protected land (and water) is supposed to be shared and act as a buffer zone between neighboring parcels. If no neighbor objects, then probably no Linden would have much cause to get involved. But if a neighbor *does* object, the prims should go away, no questions asked.

Let's say Vamps-R-Us has a parcel next to Virtual Hemophobia's parcel, abutting protected water. Vamps decides to rez crimson waves out in front of their parcel on Linden water because it fits their color scheme. Now Hemophobia members get physically ill each time they look out at that protected water. Even though it never encroached on Hemophobia's parcel at all, LL needs to send the blood back to Vamps. It's just being a reasonable estate manager to do so.

Sure, but assuming it was a regular sim extension and no one objected, it would be nice to be able to rely on Blondin's assurances without having to worry about a passing member of the G-Team spotting it and seeing it as an instance of "encroachment" rather than as an instance of "what my colleague Blondin said would be OK".

The problem is that Linden Labs aren't good estate owners. A good owner would be available, or have managers available, to give specific rulings on specific requests.

This is the last time I will come to this particular forum because the whole thing makes me too angry. This forum is now totally Zindrafied and if you listen to what you say, you are now defending, or rather taking, the same stance that LL did in that the whole thing was clear from the beginning and that it was clearly presented, everyone knew what had to be done to get a swap, there was not last minute fanangling by people to get a swap, because by god it was clear and LL had made it clear. This sort of flies in the face of everything that was said on all of the forums up until now. For you information, I have filed complaints with LL and I have bitched at them. But you contend that it was "plain and Simple". Well personally I hope the whole thing becomes the fiasco that you all predicted and that the whole damn continent sinks into the ocean. I certainly have no business to lose. I am so happy that you were able to follow along and figure everything out...
Please don 't get me wrong, I have no desire to lose the land I have, since I always thought Zindra was ugly, I only got angry at your self righteous position and pontification.

we still talking 2%?
that was pretty clear!