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They also have the right to abandon it if they did not sell their mainland parcel. Anyway, it is no longer for sale.

spurious argument.

whether they sold it or not they are still paying tier on all land and all mainland has the same covenant (I know, it's a big word but it means terms of use)


If you don't like the way LL did this, take it up with them.

LL seem to disagree as both parcels that were for sale are no longer for sale.

Did you get a copy of jacks office hours? If so can you drop me a copy or if anyone else did so that I can get it onto the slapt wiki

Many Thanks

Thanks and have put it on the slapt wiki here

http://www.slapt.me/wiki/index.php/Office_Hours_Transcript_-_Jack_Linden:_07-23-2009

I'm assuming that the owner isn't paying tier on them yet.

which is why someone said it wasn't calculating tier correctly.

I really do suggest to anyone who is a non zindra resident and is playing at the community concern thing to get another life as this one doesn't seem to be working out for you that well. Vigilante is a really unattractive look.

Since you have so much spare time on your hands you could of course go over to the mature estates and mainland and start ARing businesses that are still selling adult stuff. After all they're getting an advantage over those of us who have been forced to move or are you saving that bit of unpleasantness for later?

I'd imagine that the reason that it's not calculating tier correctly is because it isn't setup for land sales yet. I was the person who said it was not calculating tier, had I purchased the parcel I would have been in the next tier category, there is therefore something wrong with the way the land is set, it's actually classified as estate land, probably due to the tier issue.

(Jack's Office hour 09Jul09 [11:12] Jack Linden: Renzo, I think we've had just over 800 requests so far (we expected around 1500 in total),

so just about 50 tickets between 09 July and 23rd July methinks Jack is not being honest about this. But then Lindens never lie do they nor do they talk bullshit ever lol who are they kidding. Just another plain fact that LL can't be honest in anything they say and just wait until the fall out when people that do not speak English as a first language find out LL has royally screwed them.

LOL Jack wasn't the top of his class for maths I think

That sounds about right have a look at my land details below even though it shows I own no land I do infact own a whole sim on Zindra:

Allowed holdings: 66,048 square meters
Current holdings: 0 square meters
Available for purchase: 65,536 square meters
Peak square meter usage: 512 square meters
Total monthly cost: USD 0.00*

I've just checked my zindra land and it's still set to zero tier. So when it's purchased the tier calc ignores it. A few weeks back I did some moving around of the parcels I have there into different groups and it ignored the tier each time I either took them out or put them in.

When LL first released zindra a lot of the land was marked as estate rather than mainland. now I think it says estate/mainland when you look at it with 1.23 (I can't remember about 1.22 and am not inworld atm).

So it could be one of those parcels they managed to incorrectly identify and never got around to fixing. They really don't have any idea what they've got out there.

I would be surprised, if even this "revolution" would not eat its own children, like any revolution on globe before.

Also it was ever clear, that here are individuals at work, voluntary, also different interests and different temper-configurations and different cultural backgrounds.

Seen from that angle it was and is kind of wonderful, that the hmmm? second half-time of all discussions. latest from May/June on, went into some smart analysis phase and information exchange and also we were able to pull some masks from LL's face(s) to show the ugly truth.

That there is now another phase where the whole diversity of people is to see again, is not too bad. It is just normal.

I think, LL has a plan to dry out any sort of adult atmosphere sooner or later. It is not so, that LL would support adult themes/creations/spontaneity and things.

The blogs are showing what LL supports from now on and what not.

I couldn't swap and I was too lazy and too hmm? wrong word but as metaphore - to proud to cheat. I had just no lust to be that subversive, because I see LL not in the position to - hahaha - dictate somehow when I have to be subversive and when not.

In this case I decided to be not subversive. But it is also fully ok to be subversive. Both makes sense (or fun) - to be dissdent or subersive element or both in one - if a regime shows enough hubris.



The only opponent I know, is LL and only LL and ever LL.

To make it not too easy for LL, it is from my view seen - with or without swap - smart and ok to make Zindra as attractive and popular as possible, because if that last hmm? bastion of freedom is not sucessful, then LL could wipe away this too, over night, without a blink and without facing resistance.

If I imagine the hidden roadmap of LL, then the only happy people are the Lindens at the moment.

Their first step to deconstruct what was once the spirit of SL went sucessful for LL.

But we won on any intellectual and psychological level. No one has to be ashamed here.

I mean, hahaha, look at he OH's, lol, - it is a wonder that the Lindens have jobs - I would fire them for their lack of articulation skills.

(yes, yes, I know that they could, but they wanted not, and so it came that they are just looking extraordinaire stupid)

They gave the imprsssion that they cannot answer the simplest questions, nor following strong arguments.

We discovered, that LL is able to provide and to answer 4 and a half months long, not one single intellgent, logical, true, helpful, clear answer.

They act like mad and misdirected robots.

LL is standing stupid in the corner.

http://www.fr-online.de/_em_daten/_hermes/2009/04/28/090428_1727_scham.jpg

http://www.fr-online.de/_em_daten/_hermes/2009/04/28/090428_1727_scham.jpg

And their protagonists, the 2-3 with which we had it to do, are only good for a perfect lmfao provided by us.

Their reputation was not good before, even not nearly average.

And now is their reputation definitely at zero. Literally.

More will follow.

For that, that we never could reach closed ranks, nor the whole customer base of some million people and for that, that we are all very different motivated/ambitioned, we all were able to show LL: "Hey Lab, your mask is down!"

And the mask is down forever, literally.

Because of the hard work of very smart people here.

It was the first time that a JIRA went through the ceiling like a rocket, that a tool like slapt.me appeared sucessfully and still growing and that many, many impressive people provided serious analysis and datas and backgrounds to the community.

This is normally all not for what we are in SL.

We didn't want that by default.

It is not our job to hang in forums, researching and thinking and developing this or that outside of the grid.

But somehow it worked and works - at the end very disciplined.

I would say: it was and is a good training for the future - next time we will be much faster, better and more effective.

We had a shock-phase of ca. two months. LL used this to demoralize and confuse us. This will be not so easy the next time.

And the side-effects by indiviudality are ok too. Because it should not be too easy for LL too anticipate what "we" think and do the next time, when they try to open their next showcase of incompetence.

Their actual business goals are just naive. The greenhorn on top and the old men in background should know: you never know how things turn out.

It is good to be a bit more flexible than them. A complex diversity which is somehow able to collaborate on a "case by case" base if necessary, hehehe, to use a Linden term...

What is becoming evident is that we were wrong. We railed against SL about how this was going to negatively affect their business. It will not. My guess is they may lose 20 people all together. They must have enjoyed laughing at our complaints, just as they ignore them now. Can you tell I am becoming bitter?
BT

I dunno man, if most of the mainland was mature a big part of that would have been sex related. There's 50 000 on line at once and some massive number off accounts. There's a huge number of parcels of land in this.

It's going to be a lot more than 20 people.

Zindra should not be their main concern, they messed up there but the real problem they face is that the bottom end of the land market is so low that people will abandon land and that means no tier fees.

Zindra may well be a bridge too far for many, Linden Lab's disregard for their customers has been going on for some time but it's the prosepct of losing tier fees that will worry them most.

Interesting thing happened last weekend, I logged on and looked at map in Zindra to tp and noticed orange pieces near our land, I tp'd and looked and what did I find not visible with parcel lines but clicking on the land brought up 100's of micro parcels 16m2 all part of lindne protected or maitnenance land and for sale. I am pat of the Arbour group and I im'd the group not sure what to do, I tried to get hold of Lindens in world no response, so I went on live chat and was told that it if Lindens had set them for sale that was correct, I said no I dont think so , but to show that they can be bout I purshased about 24 of them along the border of my land, and told live chat I was doing that. I said I would wait there could they get someone to ocme look as it seemed odd they were selling 16m2 land fistly on Zindra where no land is for sale and secondly as micro parcels are not really ok, oh btw I paid 16liinden for 16m2 .
Eventually one linden turned up and then four of them did, I spoke with a couple and told them to just take back my parcels, I was making a point, and they said they would refund me, I told them I was not worried about that but they did, and they spent some time changing it all back , it was huge areas. Amazing experience

I apologise for my spelling lol

lulz @ 20 people.

Which Linden are you the ALT of?

So I guess what you are saying is the solution is to just generate an alt?

Gee, now like that was not aimed squarely at me. *rolls eyes* Congrats Couldbe, you seem to have a knack at driving away allies.

I wouldn't say happy. I would say grimly determined to hang on, despite the difficulties that LL is throwing in our faces, and busily looking for ways to flip them the middle finger whilst looking around innocently and whistling. (Using the TOS and CS to be a gigantic pain in LL"s ass without breaking the rules ourselves and getting banned.)

LL doesn't deserve *happy* customers. They'll have damn few of them. But I feel that I need to point out, bhakta, that you *could* have had the swap, if you had advertised and called your parcel a "free sex garden". Many of us *told* you that. *land barons* were getting the swap, and putting the stuff up for *sale* in the first week!

I understand the principle involved, But I ask you to look at LL's track record of acting on principle. Some of us have been trying to talk them out of this since the very first public inklings of it, and trying to tell them what principles were involved, and how their action was unfair. They ignored all of us.

In this entire fiasco, they only changes they made were to slant the definition of "adult" to "sexual", and to back off their proposed new definition of PG a bit.

That's *all*. Despite more than three months of constant contact with the "AO Team" that's all we have to show for it. The rest of the time was spent trying to figure out what they hell they were going to do.

*happy*? I think not. More like "scrambling not to lose our damn shirts in this giant mess".


^V^

Heh, I wondered when you started going on about heraldry-

"Vert, An Elephant maintaining A nude man and woman, Sable and Argent rampant Above two spheres, Azure and Gulles"

The motto would be below the display and the title above, correct?

^V^

No, she's bitter because LL didn't give her a swap too- despite the fact that she knew who would be given a swap, and what the qualifications were.

Refusing to sink to the level of gaming the system is admirable. Yelling at people who didn't have to, and are, frankly, getting just as screwed, isn't.

^V^

Wouldn't that be "Vert, an Elephant rampant, Argent, maintaining a nude man and woman, sable and argent per cross, above two spheres, Azure and Gules"? But IANAH. (I am not a herald).

Motto below and title above, yes.