New Zindra Blog Post

fine but that was the reality. You can grind your teeth all you like but it happened. I would have preferred everyone to have sexed up their mainland in protest. Can you imagine what would have happened if everyone in the 3000+ mature sims had sexed up their land and put in for the swap? unfortunately people didn't see it as a reasonable way to protest and it didn't happen.

We haven't forgotten about those left behind but those of us who have been uprooted have still got to move forward. If she can't support us with trying to rebuild then tbh why should we be sympathic? It's all swings and roundabouts.

The next round of impacts are those who didn't get the swap but are commercial. After that it will be the residents.

SL is brimming with self interest - as Bhakta's post shows. So my original point stands.. why should we be sympathic when we're seeing none of it in return?

Unfortunately this is one of the things I had seen coming (and doubtless many others realised it too). That LL would deflect some of the blame from them by getting different groups of residents fighting with each other over what happened to each as a result of this process. Ok, I did not see this permutation (especially as Blondin had said everyone who applied to move would be able to), I thought it would come down to what different people like to do with their second lives.

No matter where we stand now, moved to Zindra, denied the move, never had reason to apply in the first place we are all united by one thing. LL has pulled a fast one on everyone in SL. I am still deeply convinced they made this move due to outside pressure, but since they are so intent on denying that then they can take all the blame. Why should we toss some of that blame on each other?

They did the same thing with the Open Space caper. Blamed the users for causing the problem. It's always someone else to blame for LL's laziness and incompetence.

Horse manure. It's not gaming the system to subvert rules that are patently unethical, including LL's swap criteria. Those rules are theft, a taking, a knowing reduction in the utility of a grant they sold.

A more apt ethical question is how to justify going along with those rules, when a concerted effort to subvert them (which I openly advocated in these forums when it would have defeated them) would have rendered the Zindra move intractably huge and expensive for LL.

The obvious analogy here would Godwin the thread, but suffice it to say: playing into the hands of villians is no moral high ground.

what's scary about that is they did the calcs to get the 2 - 4% originally and they know just how many people they sent that email to on thursday, they also know they haven't bothered actually telling everyone and yet they are surprised that they got so few applications?

I really want the drugs that Jack is taking.

and just as an aside and because I can.. name the one person who is the common denominator with the original land bust in march 2007, the miscalculation on costs for opensims, the re-offering of the homesteads at a time they knew there was going to be 250 mainland sims given back to them/sold as part of the AC policy and the general mismanagement of the release of Zindra land for the swap?

Yes, but at least in THAT case, there was evidence... how many clubs/shops/ businesses did we see on *openspace* sims? way more than folks will admit to now. That, again, is Linden's way of saying..."Look we give you this great deal and folks just have to go and F it up for everybody by being stupid." Rather than punish the ones abusing the system, they screwed everyone. That's more or less exactly what has happened with the Zindra deal.

There are a lot of us, following what WAS the rules. Many many MANY More that blatantly BREAK the rules. The ones following the rules, got in on the swap, and here we find ourselves in Zindra, buried under layers of hoops to be found, while all the ones that throw their finger up at LL are still running around waving their freenises on mature land.

Here's the issue... They (LL) obviously did not follow their own rules on the swap. They said they could pull land history and see who had what where for how long, and award swaps on a needed basis. We know for a fact a lot of people sexed up their land just to get, and DID get a swap, others that SHOULD have gotten a swap, that did not, but by far and large the biggest category is the ones that STILL have no freaking idea what Zindra is, or whats going on. The claim of only 850 swap tickets? I don't believe it was that low. Maybe that's the total APPROVED swaps, but i personally was told by TWO separate lindens that 300 tickets came the first 10 minutes, 600 in the first two hours...so we are to believe that only 250 more came in in the next two weeks? um, I call BS. Until they officially change the TOS.. which, supposedly will happen as soon as the last move ticket is assigned, the majority of SL population is clueless. Its been shown time and again that less than 1/4 residents read the blog. The fall out is coming, and somehow those of us that DO read the blogs, that got in on the initial swap, will suddenly be accused of whatever... cause we were ahead of the curve.

Fighting among the ones bitter will only serve to make that worse. Put the blame square back on LL where it belongs. If you didn't get your swap, Blame LL. Period. It's not a SINGLE one of our faults. File appeals, request a supervisor review, fight for your rights, but don't take it out on the rest of us. Its just that simple.

~Brie

I know at least one person who absolutely has adult commercial content who still hadn't put in for a move early last week. I sent him an IM reminding him on Thursday, but no response.

So I think the reason they got fewer people than they expected is that they simply didn't do anywhere near an adequate job of notifying people.

On another note, I tried copying and pasting the address for the slapt.me age verification page to someone in SL, and of course the URL got truncated on teh first close-paren. So I set up a shorter URL for it:

http://xrl.us/pelvis

Might want to pass that around, because it's easier to pass around.

Speaking of, anyone have the link to Jack's latest meeting? I cant seem to find later ones since they aren't all under Adult Content/Adult Transcripts

the problem stemmed from when they were released originally. LL didn't specify any use restrictions. They said they were supposed to be for trees and things and they *may* not provide support if it was used for anything else.

It was disingenuous at best and pure money grubbing at worst.

LL knows most users aren't technologically savvy enough to go looking for the problems behind a deal too good to be true and a lot of the people who bought the and rented them out/sold them on were less than honest about their true use.

These were risks that were apparent to LL from the very beginning - they chose not to be upfront with the restrictions nor to take steps to minimise the issues this would cause.

Very much like zindra. they had an idea and refused to see the consequences.

Yeah I found that a strange claim considering they've had to add land to Zindra.

and if they're hoping to make a killing from the sale of the rest of the land I have some bad news for them.

Before some lovely person ARd me for trying to get offers for my land I'm going to get rid of I had some very interesting offers from individuals and flippers alike.

It's worse than that. They absolutely said they could be used for outdoor type events, like regattas... regattas was what they were originally designed for. But THOSE kinds of events are totally laggy.

They also said rental was OK.

Concierge and G-Team both said houses were OK.

Just made one from an excerpt of my chat history and filed it at https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/User:Jack_Linden/Office_Hour/2009-07-23. Anyone who wants to copy it to slapt.me and format it according to the practice there is free to do so, of course.

(The Zindra ticket count discussion is around 11:16.)

Isn't Jack the same Linden who similarly surprised some of us when it transpired he'd only had about 10 people tell him they were unhappy about the whole idea in the first place?

Yes, that would be him.

Just saw the first bit of Zindra for sale @SL10 a sq meter for 17840 mtrSq

Where? We can have an AR party.

There's another for L$11 per metre and there's something odd going on out there, for a start the land shows as estate and secondly it doesn't work out tier payments correctly.

http://slurl.com/secondlife/Tyrell%20Mono/159/175/59 right? ARing under fraud> land.

Yay! At last! An AR vigilante squad!!! Can I come? I LOVE a party . . .

If tier has kicked in for these people then they have the perfect right to sell their land. The land has the same use rights as any other part of the mainland.

You guys really do need to look at yourselves. I suppose that could be too much to ask though - the mean spirited aren't usually very good at self awareness.

If you don't like people complying with LL policies in getting that land in the first place - take it up with them.

lol, I am the last person to ask about AR parties...

That's weird on the estate, the prices seem pretty ok though... I remember reading $10 was a normal price for good land.

I guess another interesting number to know would be how many of those "It has come to our attention that your parcel or classified contains adult keywords or has been categorized as Adult, but that it is not currently located on adult land" emails they sent out.

Business down by more than 80%, about 33% of my group base unable to access the new premises, 2 Years worth of rebuilding going on and the place looking like building site, digging into my pocket daily for replacement equipment due to some group members who have gone from sl and whose items cant be transferred. Upwards of 2,000 sale items that need landmarks replaced in world a thousand others for xstreet and 600 xstreet listing that need changed - yep I'm as happy as a bunny!

^L^