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Couldbe Yue
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07-23-2009 09:29
From: Scylla Rhiadra
LOL, yeah. No spite at ALL in your reply, eh?

No, I wasn't being spiteful. Just alerting you and others to the fact that that quote is already being used by a group that most of you seem not to like very much. And an entirely serious question about what you see as the function of the Zindra Alliance. Is it intended to challenge "received" notions of sexuality?


no, just amusement at finding out that margaret appears to be part of your groups contextual framework.

If you really want an answer to the other question then I suggest you post it as a separate thread and we'll discuss it there.
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07-23-2009 09:30
From: Scylla Rhiadra
LOL, yeah. No spite at ALL in your reply, eh?

No, I wasn't being spiteful. Just alerting you and others to the fact that that quote is already being used by a group that most of you seem not to like very much. And an entirely serious question about what you see as the function of the Zindra Alliance. Is it intended to challenge "received" notions of sexuality?


Personally, I know of exactly 2 people who went to the SL6B, so I don't know that your groups booth was very widely seen. I am not sure that group is even widely known as the chief activity seems to be you trying to hijack threads.
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07-23-2009 09:32
From: Scylla Rhiadra
Um . . . well, THIS is interesting. This particular quote from Margaret Mead has been, since the inception of the SLLUFN in January 2009, our "motto." It is, in fact, the text that you will find in the group's description when you look it up in-world. I also used it for the group's SL6B exhibit.

I am certainly not claiming proprietorship on behalf of the group . . . you have every right to use it if you wish. But you should probably be aware of that particular existing association.

I might also ask how applicable it is? Mead DID champion new attitudes towards sexuality, but her views are mostly usually seen within the context of her feminism. Perhaps more to the point, this quote is about social activism. Is that what Zindra is "about"?


Perhaps so. Many of the residents of Zindra are people who abided by the rules set forth by LL, invested time and money in their property and businesses, and contributed to the fabric of SL. Then, almost on a whim. LL had told therm they have to pack it all up, leave land many have spent many hours forming and customizing for their needs, for in some cases, land that is nothing like what they are giving up. In addition, LL is doing very little to help them, in what many see as an attempt to hide them away from general view.

Some are taking the opportunity to make the best of it, to create something special,so perhaps this is their way of not going quietly into the night. I guess you could call that social activisim of a sort.
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07-23-2009 09:37
From: Brenda Connolly
Perhaps so. Many of the residents of Zindra are people who abided by the rules set forth by LL, invested time and money in their property and businesses, and contributed to the fabric of SL. Then, almost on a whim. LL had told therm they have to pack it all up, leave land many have spent many hours forming and customizing for their needs, for in some cases, land that is nothing like what they are giving up. In addition, LL is doing very little to help them, in what many see as an attempt to hide them away from general view.

Some are taking the opportunity to make the best of it, to create something special,so perhaps this is their way of not going quietly into the night. I guess you could call that social activisim of a sort.

Interesting. I'm also intrigued by the reference to "green living," which I'd also like to hear more about at some point. But Couldbe is right . . . I can save those questions for another time. Pace Melodie, I had no intention of "hijacking" this thread; just noting the use of that motto by another group.
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07-23-2009 09:40
From: Scylla Rhiadra
Interesting. I'm also intrigued by the reference to "green living," which I'd also like to hear more about at some point. But Couldbe is right . . . I can save those questions for another time. Pace Melodie, I had no intention of "hijacking" this thread; just noting the use of that motto by another group.


Green Living was the LL Buzzword when they officialyl announced the launching of Zindra...I still have no idea what it is supposed to mean, but then again, I find most of what LL says to be an incomprehensible mix of New Age Babble and Snake Oil Selling.
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07-23-2009 09:41
From: Scylla Rhiadra
Interesting. I'm also intrigued by the reference to "green living," which I'd also like to hear more about at some point. .



Then ask a Linden. They coined the term for Zindra.
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07-23-2009 09:42
From: Scylla Rhiadra
Interesting. I'm also intrigued by the reference to "green living," which I'd also like to hear more about at some point.
That's something Linden Labs came up with, the "green living" image is from a Linden blog post. So far as I can tell it doesn't go any further than having the Moles design some of the structures based on some architectural drawings of real-life "green" structures.

Edit: (stares at paws, I type too slow)
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07-23-2009 09:42
From: Scylla Rhiadra
Um . . . well, THIS is interesting. This particular quote from Margaret Mead has been, since the inception of the SLLUFN in January 2009, our "motto." It is, in fact, the text that you will find in the group's description when you look it up in-world. I also used it for the group's SL6B exhibit.

I am certainly not claiming proprietorship on behalf of the group . . . you have every right to use it if you wish. But you should probably be aware of that particular existing association.

I might also ask how applicable it is? Mead DID champion new attitudes towards sexuality, but her views are mostly usually seen within the context of her feminism. Perhaps more to the point, this quote is about social activism. Is that what Zindra is "about"?


I knew nothing of the quote being used anywhere else

I think it fits as a statement about community, M.Mead was a ground breaking Anthropologist, she would have found all of SL quiet intriguing, as I do. It was my major in college after all :)

always one in the bunch

I wont be in world till tuesday :(

I will participate in the hunt sounds fun :)
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07-23-2009 09:46
From: Brenda Connolly
Green Living was the LL Buzzword when they officialyl announced the launching of Zindra...I still have no idea what it is supposed to mean, but then again, I find most of what LL says to be an incomprehensible mix of New Age Babble and Snake Oil Selling.

Zindra has cartoon solar powered bus stops.
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07-23-2009 09:47
oh its just something I made when I was bored btw...
its nothing official and so what its a well done quote as it can be seen in many ways

don't get your panties in a bunch SL is supposed to be fun

I am just trying to get a more positive spin for all those dealing with the transitional pains.

no offense taken
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07-23-2009 09:48
From: Morgaine Alter
I knew nothing of the quote being used anywhere else

I think it fits as a statement about community, M.Mead was a ground breaking Anthropologist, she would have found all of SL quiet intriguing, as I do. It was my major in college after all :)

Yes, I suspect she would. :)

And again, I'm not trying to claim ownership of the quote. Use it by all means if it says what you want said.

Maybe the "green" in LL's characterization is a reference to how jealous everyone else is supposed to feel by how well you've all been treated during this move? ;)
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07-23-2009 09:52
too bad then

it was just a snap shot from them

oh well

be bitter

I wont lose sleep over it
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07-23-2009 09:52
From: Morgaine Alter


I wont be in world till tuesday :(

I will participate in the hunt sounds fun :)


If you're interested, the Zindra Alliance group is just about to launch a flag contest. You've got a couple of weeks to get the entry in. When the details come out then if Jago or someone else doesn't post them here I will.
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07-23-2009 09:52
Aww, someone's already written "Coming of Age in Second Life".

http://press.princeton.edu/titles/8647.html
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07-23-2009 09:55
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too bad then

it was just a snap shot from them

oh well

be bitter

I wont lose sleep over it

Ummmm . . . who is being bitter? Not me, I assure you.
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07-23-2009 09:57
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It's all but closed. I got my land but it took reaching a live chat linden that cared.

MUCH THANKS TO MAGGIE AND PLEXUS LINDEN FOR THIER HELP AND SPEEDY/OBSERVANT RESPONSES

Maggie helped in walking me around and showing me terraform levels since that was an important concern for me. It was hard trying to judge these things on my own specially lowering land when you can't even rez a prim. She was able to reserve the land for me after I updated my case with the choice. She could reserve but not set to sale.

Plexus was great as I was surveying the reserved property to start building designs. He stopped, saw it was reserved, and set it to sale to me right away.

The entire process took about two hours.

ALSO SPECIAL THANKS TO SINDY TSURE!
She's been a longtime friend but she has been my shoulder during this and gave me a slap once or twice that I needed during the process.

Now on to the RL move! (yes in the same week!)
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07-23-2009 10:22
From: Scylla Rhiadra
Maybe the "green" in LL's characterization is a reference to how jealous everyone else is supposed to feel by how well you've all been treated during this move? ;)
I think the deadly sin you have in mind is envy. I know plenty about sins.. trust me on this.
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07-23-2009 10:34
From: Argent Stonecutter
That's something Linden Labs came up with, the "green living" image is from a Linden blog post. So far as I can tell it doesn't go any further than having the Moles design some of the structures based on some architectural drawings of real-life "green" structures.

Edit: (stares at paws, I type too slow)


As far as I have noticed, the new self-hypnosis of LL is to advertise the platform as meet, greet and conferencing system, which would make the planet so very clean and green, because less people would have to travel for meetings, which means less CO² in the air and so on. That also computers and all necessary equipment plus electricity causing ressource waisting and environmental pollution footprints plays no role in LL's smart arguments.

I think, the Zindra theme was made, because LL lives under the impression (vulgo: hallucination), that they moved the adultism to Zindra and make the old mainland free for all the green living freaks from all around the world and their fantastic CO²-free and traveling costs-free and time saving green living meetings in future.

But good that LL invites customers to the SL-Frisco Convention, lol, where all people will arrive with SUV's and aeroplanes and other ultra-green vehicles, enjoying the effective air-conditioning in hotel-rooms and offices and whatnot and eating the yum-yum gen-food and other interesting industrial food designs, while having a real good time together, while people struggling here to save a bit last fun for their SL.

In other words - and logical I agree with you: green living buildings on Zindra are just another sign for the fact that LL is thinking we all would be extraordinaire stupid. Beside the second fact, that the design is cheap and helpless.
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07-23-2009 10:37
From: Innula Zenovka
I think the deadly sin you have in mind is envy. I know plenty about sins.. trust me on this.

Yeah, that'd be the one.

OMG, it's "deadly"???? I am in soooo much trouble ... :o
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07-23-2009 10:47
From: Couldbe Yue
If you're interested, the Zindra Alliance group is just about to launch a flag contest. You've got a couple of weeks to get the entry in. When the details come out then if Jago or someone else doesn't post them here I will.


Is this a group intern contest or free for everyone?
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07-23-2009 10:52
/me reads the Green stuff and gets a slightly confused look.

Wait a minute.. It's gone from "save the children" to "save the planet"???
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07-23-2009 10:54
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07-23-2009 10:56
I was wondering if they were referring to K/S fandom.
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07-23-2009 13:38
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Is this a group intern contest or free for everyone?


anyone except the judges and their spouses can enter.

so get ready :)
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07-23-2009 13:48
From: Couldbe Yue
anyone except the judges and their spouses can enter.

so get ready :)


Thanks for the info :)
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