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Lias, there is no need to keep insulting people here!

Really? Is this necessary? Did Couldbe in some way prevent land owners from participating? As far as I know it was open to any Zindran that wanted to participate. Why imply anything to the contrary?

Please try to be positive and supportive. This is a stressful time for everyone.

Couldbe IM'ed me and invited me to participate.. Dunno how many others got poked about it.

After all this time, why are people still responding to Lias?

I am not really embracing the idea. I know it was a snafu. But it is an easy exploit and we should put some clear procedures in place before someone purposely uses this method to further their personal agenda. We all know most of what Linden Lab does cannot be un-done after the fact.

I feel I am weaving a small cautionary tale - one that we can learn from and grow. You all attempting to justify your actions is just blowing the entire thing up.

I only posted it here because for weeks I have been asking for some procedures, I offerred to fund the staff that was needed to create a inclusive Adult Continent userlist and developed a full-perm adult verification step-by-step book along with a free-for all PG adult content infohub that anyone can post their adult event at to work around the adult content firewall.

All I got from Jargo was 'that is not our responsibility'. From Gavin - stop posting information in the group chat and from Brie I got 'shut up'.

I believe that the Zindra Alliance group can effectively represent the tier payers in Zindra - with some basic procedures in place that promote inclusiveness.

Lias for someone purporting to be against inclusive controls all your posts seem to read between the lines as "I want control"?

That may be an unfair assumption on my part, but that's how I read it.

I've seen the empty spots in my sim divided out to 1024s and such so maybe auctions are soon?

Blondin said mid-September auctions start.

I suppose his guess is as good as anyone's.

I got my swap, and I indicated on my ticket that I wanted to keep my old land. But for some reason LL just indicated on my ticket (and via email) that they're going to take my old land unless I advise them otherwise in 3 days. I just responded to the ticket and emphatically said I DO want to keep my land. Will that suffice? Should I IM a Linden to be sure? I don't want to lose all my mainland land abruptly 3 days from now!

Yes, that worked for me. Make sure you get a response within a day or escalate your ticket to Live Help.

Ah, OK, thanks for that advice. I've never used Live Help. I hope I don't have to in this case!

So they replied to your ticket and closed it?

I gave away 1000 meters to a noob and saved 512M of it to post my Zindra events there so people with PG checked only can see the events. Anyone that can make event annoucements without using adult content words can use this parcel for this purpose also.

Ah, I see what happened. I sold a small bit of my 3 mainland parcels, and that may have confused LL. Anyway, I got this reassuring response:

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Ricky Shaftoe,

The location here is no longer owned by yourself, however we did not reclaim it so I can only assume that the parcel was sold.

At your request, Governor Linden will not reclaim your old parcels of land. Your tier price for land usage will be raised accordingly if you do keep the original parcels of land. If you decide you wish to maintain your current tier, please sell or abandon your land.

Thanks,
Porter Linden

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And the ticket is now marked "solution provided." Sounds like I'm in good shape, right?

Sounds that way to me. I think LL would like anyone to pay the tier than to reclaim the land. So your good to go

Thanks, Lias. Hehe, yep, I would think they'd be happy to take yet more of my money -- and indeed they will.

Anyone have a current full map of the Zindra Continent please post it somewhere and post the link here. I am hiring data collectors that will be assigned a grid to maintain. This will attempt to be a full complete list of adult business owners in the Zindra Continent. I will keep the results public once we get started later this week. Thanks.

http://slurl.com/secondlife/Cloudville////
http://slurl.com/secondlife/Cloudville////

and zoom out, and take a screen capture

If you want a map with region names, do it while logged in to SL with the map button, and take a screen capture.

UPDATE: Hires map posted here: (1.1MB image, 2800x2000 pixels)

https://wiki.secondlife.com/w/images/b/bb/Zindra_Full_11Aug09.jpg
https://wiki.secondlife.com/w/images/b/bb/Zindra_Full_11Aug09.jpg

I count 286 regions.

Thanks Daniel. I am no good with taking map pictures.

I'm learning Photoshop, it's good exercise

Map Link 2 posts up-thread

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Because of this decision Lisa I’ve decide to join the alliance too. Quite truthfully, at first I saw it as nothing more than another group slot sitting idle so I abstained from joining. Reading the last several weeks of notes from the town meetings with Blondin reinforced that feeling... lots of questions giving him ample opportunity to pick and choose, which he seems to do quite well. He’s managed to keep his feet in nice air conditioned shoes long enough... its time they came out and tasted the flames!

The above is probably true with Lias' reality distortion field applied, but I told her to hold back on posting information on her PG Infohub in the group because it seemed to be in violation of the KB on use of adult information on PG land. I therefore had to check both the KB and TOS on the matter.

My position on this is that posting adult events on PG land to work around the adult content firewall is bordering on violating the KB for usage of PG land. It also only serves to undermine the interests of everyone who have moved to Zindra as it legitimise the continued use of PG land for content and ads that should only be on adult flagged land.

It is OK for Lias to have a landmark giver on her old land pointing to her Zindra business, but allowing others to post adult event information there under the pretence of being an infohub is, in my opinion, questionable practice.

Remember to always start out with a insult - that is the standard operational procedure of the Zindra Alliance leadership when they address someone that does not go along with their plans.
Gavin, you have the exact same setup on Mature Land. Everything you post here sounds so hypocritical based on that. And you also sent out a no modification notecard giver to the entire Alliance group that spits out information about how to Adult Verify with landmarks to all of your business in it. Amazing. My infohub stands alone with nothing for sale from me within it, no landmarks to anything for sale from me with in or within that entire sim. Your infohub is placed in the courtyard on non-adult land with all of your for-profit stores and your adult verification notecard giver gives landmarks to all of your business.

Why you would even post this in protest of what I have when your doing the exact same thing and worse is beyond me. You sir, are oblivious.

Why you feel that because a complete stranger to you gave you a officer position in the Zindra Alliance gives you the right to critique and question my content I really do not understand. Nor do I pay any attention to it. That is not your role. You are not our overlord.

You need to sit back and analyze why your same actions had you run out of the Bay City Alliance. Why Jargo chose a failed community leader to lead Zindra is something that is questionable also.
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After a three hour conversation, we at least got this out of you
Even though I had to hand-feed this course of action to you.

Listen, I do not mind teaching you how to really represent a community in an inclusive manner - you just have to do your end and pay attention. Don't fall back on to your lame insults, corrupt incompetence and excuse-making. There will be a quiz.

We can see that the work of the slapt.me wiki in tracking the tickets really helped us to get through alot of the move process without falling prey to too much double-talk from the service provider. We need to b on that level when presenting the community needs to Blondin. We will (perhaps begrudgingly) get more respect and more positive outcomes this way.Zindra Alliance is headed in the right direction to make this happen.

Again you bear forward unsubstantiated allegations.

Like you in multiple postings have called the Zindra Alliance founder and officers corrupt.

Like you in multiple postings have been name calling, insulting individuals and making blanket statements about participants in Zindra Alliance landowner meetings and others.

You need to take a deep breath, analyze your resentment, and tally up if the opt-in Zindra Alliance group is the right place for you to be.