Brainstorm: bringing LL back to the forums

Wilhelm, just delete the damn post. You're negating anything you've said with this childish behavior.

On top of that you may want to consider editing this out of post #100 in reference to Walker:



I don't know where you've been reading, but Walkers one of the more frequent posters I see round here.

neither of us have commited any crimes

and what part of NO is not being understood here?

you realize i even ar'd my own post so someone can look at it.?

but no I wont be personally removing and for more then one reason. Unfortunately peer pressure doesn't work well on me. I do what i think is right.

now I"m going to go do something fun here. We all don't have to agree on everything everyone does here but that doesn't make any single one of us evil.

Why all the omg eep then its not like the first time people have cut and pasted things across forums and it wont be the last..

I can drag up a million posts by a million people on these forums who have at one time or another cut and paste entire articles/ blogs/posts onto this forum all of a sudden its breach of etiquette ? Why because the words hurt your eyes? Yes words do hurt that the point.

Thank you for acknowledging that Bradley. I'm personally happy for Wilhelm to leave that in, and for his posts to stand on their own merit, with the exception of the one containing Coco's post from another forum - the one he quoted verbatim without her permission.

That quote simply needs to be deleted. No excuses.

Huh? so you knew how rude you were being and did it intentionally?

Wow.

I never called Strife a control freak. He wrapped that up in quotes and implied that I said it. (Which I didn't.) So I told him not to call Strife that. It's what's known as sarcasm.

Anyway, that's all water under the bridge now and I hold no grudges against Wilhelm. As I said, I'm happy for his posts to stand on their own merit, except for the one he copied from another forum. I am sure everybody here would respect him a whole lot more if he just played nice, and honoured the wishes of somebody who is very upset and hurt about what he did.

i wasn't being rude no are people doing this on purpose or what?

i got dragged into this friggen thread my posts and all and not even asked if it was okay i find that in and of itself rude and the rest is history


i'm still not being rude by i am holding fast to a principle. My question is why does THIS particular post after all the posts that have been copies from other forums and blogs have to be removed? why THIS ONE and none others?

Why do i get accused of saying something that i did not say and have to verify it and now i'm being rude?

I didn't bring me into this thread someone else did.

I hate rude people I hate people who like to pretend things are happening when they are and i dislike it immensly when someone writes on thing one place and says it in a different way in another place.

I do value honesty and I dont see a lot of it around here at times and this is one of these times

the funny thing is if people were honest about their reasons I would have said very little except maybe complain that their reasons were wrong. I'm sorry if you dont understand but to say it one way in one place and say the same thing in another way in another place doesn't work well and quite frankly aweful. Mean what you say and say what you mean and I"m okay with it. I may not like it but that's fine.

now i'm going to play eq2 because frankly right now with the way people are behaving i'm begining to agree the forum needs to be shut down mainly because people are being two faced about issues instead of honest and I can't stand that it drives me nuts. Sorry I like people who mean what they say and say what they mean. "real people"

*shakes head*

whatever.

Bye Wilhelm, have fun getting slaughtered by orcs.

Because the original poster is obviously hurt and asked you to remove it.

You haven't proven you're point, you've only proven to be inconsiderate and that you value being "right" over all else.

why is she hurt she wrote it elsewhere on a public forum for all to see and says she does not have a problem with it existing or any problem writing it if she believes what she says then it just is. How can someone be hurt by words they meant? they cannot. Also she is a big girl and can talk to me anytime she likes i dont actualy bite i'm just a human like anyone else. She had no problem writing the words in the first place and does not apologize for their existance. How then can she be hurt or is this more forum drama? I think its moer forum drama. No one has anything better to do then make more of it then what it is. I personally would never say such things in a post anywhere because I could not of any human being, but the fact remains she doesn't seem to mind that the post was written how is it okay so say these things in one place and get angry when they appear elsewhere. again I Like genuine people If you meant it stand by it. If you didnt mean it then say so and apologize. To my knowledge she meant it and stands by it.

I dont believe there is much else to say again i will repeat I Like people who say what they mean and mean what they say not say one thing one place and dance around saying it in another place just to be "proper". If you hate strife and think he has "lost it" say it in both places or don't say it at all. Otherwise it leads to a convoluted web if lies and inuendos which I can't stand and wont put up with. So if that bothers people so be it at least I know who i am and am honest in respect to how I think and what i mean. YOu wont get me saying something two ways I will say it one way and be direct. Again I like "real people" those are the ones I respect and admire.

nothing rude about what i did I just surprised a few people in that I would date to voilate a clique is all. I dont do the peer pressure thing or the clique thing never have and never will. I do what i think is right and bear the weight that goes with it. Sorry if this offends its not meant to.

There is an enormous difference between "lies" and "discretion", which I could go into if I thought it would make a difference.

There is also a difference between "honesty" and "bullheaded intimidation tactics", but I think you're more aware of that than you pretend to be.

I repeat:

Hey, 2k, I deleted that!

coco

Pervert. :argh:

Nika, count me in.

("fading away" doesn't seem this thread's fate, exactly, but it's nice to be reminded of the actual topic now and then.)

Just FYI, Wilhelm, I have been in touch with LL on this issue and while they think the best course is to get you to voluntarily remove the post, the suggested that in the event you do not, that a DMCA takedown should be filed to remove the post. I don't want it to come to that. Aside from violating the copyright issues involved, it's just really poor form and a shitty thing to do. She did not post here - it is one thing to post the link so people can see it in context. You posted it without the link, and the full text of the post, which does not belong here. Going back and attributing it and adding a link doesn't help, remove the post itself, please.

You seem to think that these forums belong to you and need protecting from the big bad outsiders. We would love to see these forums flourish again and be what they were, as we were incredibly involved in them and loved them. Our concerns about Strife and his hand in the resmod program are valid, whether you want to sweep it all under the rug and pretend. I don't want these forums closed, I want them to be operated fairly. You seem opposed to that.

LOL. They would respond to a takedown to a forum post, but not Stroker's DMCA takedown against V.C.?

That is beyond ridiculous.

Actually I think they might. Since its really easy to delete one of Wil's posts or even this whole thread.

But following the DMCA on Stroker's beds would require logging into SL and teleporting and right clicking on stuff.

Not really. All it requires is a scan of his inventory for "sexgen" items and "disabling access" to them (in this case, that would be deleting them). The text of the ISP's responsibilities only requires that they act promptly within a certain period of time in order to not be held liable to the copyright holder for damages. If they don't comply with proper DMCA notices, the copyright holder can theoretically pursue Linden Lab for damages too.

http://www.copyright.gov/title17/92chap5.html

But then they'd have to like do work on the database. Thats against the Tao or something.

On the forums they can just use their moderator god mode, its not even their system.

True, this is lower hanging fruit, but it makes it no less pathetic.

While your at if DMCA yourself as well

because you do the same things to others

http://www.sluniverse.com/php/vb/showthread.php?t=2639

I wasn't going to post this but this is just so hypocritical at this point its just silly

your members seem to feel its okay to take entire articles and reproduce them in the same manner. Did you ask permission first ? unlike this case however its not a forum its a completely copyrighted work from a website and done today on the front page.

I've kind of had enough of your members games and threats and bullying and name calling with regards to this stuff it needs to end now please.

That would be great thanks

I agree with you on the irony. Actually, LL not honoring any legitimately filed takedown notice is at their own peril. They risk losing their safe harbor status for liability claims.