Brainstorm: bringing LL back to the forums

The OP of that thread didn't make a big deal of it closing so why should you? He questioned Strife, he received a response and at least publicly respected the answer.

Regarding this thread continuing so long. To me it's only proof that more Resmods are needed, and nothing regarding Strifes capabilities.

Some of the people making the MOST noise about people who want forum reform have, in fact, been banned from other forums.

In addition, I don't know who you are talking about, when you say,
"There would be a whole lot less arguing if people who disagreed with the way these forums are run would stick to where they moved off to and not come running back whenever prompted to stir things up here."

Surely not Walker.

Surely not me. I've been posting here since before you were SL born. I post in almost all SL-related forums, and I don't believe that is a crime.

coco

Just how long is it?

I'm not making a big deal about it. Someone asked what was unfixable and I was giving an example of an avenue of discourse that is forbidden, not by any rules, but by administrative fiat.

Ok, sure, I'll agree that more resmods are needed. What will fix that aside from wishful thinking?

Is nothing sacred?? This thread was godwined pages ago!

*takes a wooden stake and plunges it into the heart of her own thread*

Die damn you! Die!

CROWD OF WOMEN:
[yelling]
JEWISH OFFICIAL:
Matthias, son of Deuteronomy of Gath.
MATTHIAS:
Do I say 'yes'?
STONE HELPER #1:
Yes.
MATTHIAS:
Yes.
OFFICIAL:
You have been found guilty by the elders of the town of uttering the name of a fascist regime, and so, as a supporter of evil,...
CROWD:
Ooooh!
OFFICIAL:
...you are to be stoned to death.
CROWD:
Ahh!
MATTHIAS:
Look. I-- I'd had a lovely supper, and all I said to my wife was, 'That piece of halibut was good enough for a Nazi.'
CROWD:
Oooooh!
OFFICIAL:
Blasphemy!
He's said it again!
CROWD:
Yes! Yes, he did! He did!...
OFFICIAL:
Did you hear him?!
CROWD:
Yes! Yes, we did! We did!...
WOMAN #1:
Really!
[silence]
OFFICIAL:
Are there any women here today?
CROWD:
No. No. No. No...
OFFICIAL:
Very well. By virtue of the authority vested in me--
[CULPRIT WOMAN stones MATTHIAS]
MATTHIAS:
Oww! Lay off! We haven't started yet!
OFFICIAL:
Come on! Who threw that? Who threw that stone? Come on.
CROWD:
She did! She did! He did! He! He. He. Him. Him. Him. Him. He did.
CULPRIT WOMAN:
Sorry. I thought we'd started.
OFFICIAL:
Go to the back.
CULPRIT WOMAN:
Oh, dear.
OFFICIAL:
Always one, isn't there? Now, where were we?
MATTHIAS:
Look. I don't think it ought to be blasphemy, just saying 'Nazi'.
CROWD:
Oooh! He said it again! Oooh!...
OFFICIAL:
You're only making it worse for yourself!
MATTHIAS:
Making it worse?! How could it be worse?! Nazi! Nazi! Nazi!
CROWD:
Oooooh!...
OFFICIAL:
I'm warning you. If you say 'Nazi' once more--
[MRS. A. stones OFFICIAL]
Right. Who threw that?
[silence]
Come on. Who threw that?
CROWD:
She did! It was her! He! He. Him. Him. Him. Him. Him. Him.
OFFICIAL:
Was it you?
MRS. A.:
Yes.
OFFICIAL:
Right!
MRS. A.:
Well, you did say 'Nazi'.
CROWD:
Ah! Ooooh!...
[CROWD stones MRS. A.]
OFFICIAL:
Stop! Stop, will you?! Stop that! Stop it! Now, look! No one is to stone anyone until I blow this whistle!
Do you understand?! Even, and I want to make this absolutely clear, even if they do say 'Nazi'.
CROWD:
Ooooooh!...
[CROWD stones OFFICIAL]
WOMAN #1:
Good shot!
[clap clap clap]

You have to destroy the brain, Nika. With the crowd on this Forum it is a pretty small target.

I have been banned from one forum in my life and that forum was slx. I'm not making any noise for forum reform or closure. I"m also not bothering slx or lobbying for them to change their ways. I leave them alone they did what they did and I dont agree with it but i would never ever do what I see happening with regard to this forum. ON top of it MORE people have been banned from slx i think then from this forum in the last 4-6 months yet none of them are lobbying (at least that I know of) for their mods to be fired or any such thing. Their ways are their ways. Yes I do think they stink but i'm not going to try to impose my ways of how i think they should be run because to me it looks like the individuals that do post there like it the way it is. (okay i think they might be crazy for it lol that's a joke in case anyone misses it. but hey its their life and their choice of where they want to post).

Please realize that even though i am "banned" I could at any time simpy make up a new user name and continue on posting there and they likely would not figure it out unless i popped up and said "i'm wilhlem neumann" then they would ban me again and we can go throught that exercise. I see no reason to bother them unless some issue comes up which did happen once when a group i was involved with came under fire and was being slandered. SO i made a name and posted my post and at the end of it told them who i was so they could "reban me"

I now use onrez which i think is a better service anyhow and I have moved on.

I've been posting to forums since i was 20 years old and i'm 43 so i have a pretty good track records. I have also moderated very very large communities when i was younger (can't do it now dont think i have the patience). Life happens. What I do have trouble with is the fact that no one has the ability to forgive . move on and just continue life. Especially since

a) they can actualy still lurk (like i do with slx)
b) post even (like i suppose i coould with slx but why bother)
c) have a bunch of friends and a forum that they seem to enjoy a great deal.


What is the difference really?

If this forum closes that's it for me no more forums because I simply don't like the rought and tumble stuf on the other available options.

You see no alternative for whatever reason. Others of us see an ulternative. The sheer volume of people saying no please dont close them should convince you that your indeed in the minority on this issue. ON top of it have you even bothered to poll or ask this community? really truly?

All i saw was pages and pages of criticism and analysis and ripping apart of a procedure in an analytical and somehwat biased way.

So again if you want closure to this forum if LL can't be here make sure you realize that there is at least one resident posting in this thread that says you are not speaking for them.

So you dont have the right to make that decision for me to lobby for such a thing.

you created this thread and released it into the wild where its now a free range thread to wander where it pleases run with it or in this case run away far far away and never look back

sorry i had to i remember someone else trying to kill their thread awhile back and so i'm having deja vu.

I changed the post to add an "enough to actually leave here" while you replied . It doesn't even really refer to this thread specifically either (or the person I quoted for that matter), but other recent ones.

Gripes and pet-peeves about the past (anything beyond a few months in "internet time" aren't invalid, but they're also not particularly relevant now and they don't help the current situation along any, if only because most people weren't even around when it all took place and just have trouble identifying with it.

A "Strife picked on me constantly two years ago!" complaint from someone who since stopped being an active member just isn't the same as someone who's active today and complaining about Strife's resmod policy.

Ex-active residents' input can be invaluable, but not that much if they just insist on continually dragging up the past and letting personal conflicts cloud their argument. Let us newbies stumble and fall on our own if we want more resmods to keep us in check .

I never took any stance on there being a problem per se. But there is a reality, and that is Linden Lab does not see these forums as a means for communicating with the community, and LL has done nothing to support the forums existence since opening Resident Answers.

And as far as whether the forums exist, that will probably be decided by LL without much regard for community opinion, if history is any indicator.

There really isn't anything unfixable, here, but (as I said on SLU), they refuse to sign on any more resmods, which puts Strife between a rock and a hard place.

Up to recently, they have stated unequivically that they will not be signing on any more resmods, which gives Strife and all the rest of us the clear conclusion that it is either him or nothing. And there is zero reason for that, and the fault for it is LL's.

They more or less implied that once the last resmod was gone, there would be no more forums. (Which is pretty crazy; why not just close them then?)

Strife finally got one (now-departed) Linden to agree to see his recommendations, and that's all we know right now for a fact.

I'm not against having more resmods - quite the opposite. I'm against having them hand-picked by Strife.

Up until a few days ago, I was (vocally) in favor of sticking with him only, if we had to, rather than nothing.

But I've changed my mind, announced that, and given my reasons - elsewhere.

coco

heyyy ..............

oh wait idiot yeah your probably right...

(forgot my place for a moment in the village..)

What' your rush to have forums closed?
what is he doing to you and those others that were banned or whatever in the present?
anything?

Someone who had issues with strife eons ago doesn't count.

Who has been actualy HURT by strife in say the last 6 months or even a year (i've been here longer then that I have seen no one hurt by strife).

I have as of yet to see him be abusive in any way. I have seen him reopen threads when asked to. I have seen him put up with what i consider a spanish inquisition type of pounding on his policies and calmly try to explain. I have watched people demand of him and him not bat an eyelid and even talk to them as he would any other person and with respect.

I dont see the evil strife you see sorry. quite the opposite I see a guy who puts up with a hell of a lot more then i would!

Well, for me, at least (and I'm not an ex-resident, or an inactive poster), it was not a gripe or peeve about the past that finally caused me to no longer support the current SL forums resmod.

It was more like the last straw(s), which were a few days ago, and it had zero to do with picking on me personally. (Strife has never picked on me, to my memory or knowledge.)

The past, however, is relevant, when we see the same objectionable things happening time and again, even when we have objected to them before. There's just so much objecting I'm going to do before I finally withdraw my support.

coco

you dont have to support it or us we will survive honest

Coco, you have been one of my favorite posters here, throught the SheepBot and other privacy and Corporate Invasion debates, I've agreed with you more often than not. you've made your points here in your usual thoughtful manner. If this place has been rendered useless and irrelevant by the Lindens, if Strife's moderating style is an affront to you, I mean You as collective to all who feel this way, if you feel you can no longer support it , then don't. Most of you have spoken your position eloquently, don't tarnish that with all the mud slinging, smugness, elitism and rancor that is getting into this debate, from both sides. Disengage and go to wherever you feel comfortable. This place is not worth the anguish, if it is as irrelvant as you believe.

Brenda is wise please listen ?

Oh my god. I thought you were about ten.

hook line sinker

Yes i know its witty how would you like me to respond to that?

Whatever you do, never withdraw your support:



That is my breast and final attempt to get this thread locked.

It goes both ways Willy. It's easy to be small.

actualy the less you squirm the easier it is and then it just kind of grows on you like mold however that woman needs a bigger car or something...

who what when got lost along the way in this one? lol

honestly needs more explanation

Another Life, saved by Airbags.