Brainstorm: bringing LL back to the forums

True. Although that does not make it a waste of time for people to volunteer.

In his original thread concerning this, Strife said that Iridium only agreed to look at new applications, s/he did not solicit them. He also said explicitly that no resmods would be appointed until the new community manager was hired. Since then, Iridium has left and Strife has begun working this with someone else at LL. I leave you to connect the dots as to why Strife, after long inaction in this area, would be pushing at this time.

Walker, some of us do not have Linden pals to IM. But we do have extensive experience with corporations similar to this one. Personally, I don't intend to bother any Lindens about this unless I have something concrete to suggest that will benefit both them and the residents.

strife already told us this .. uh i mean the "control freak" already told us this..

We know but he is by the looks of it getting tired of it so he kept the thread open in hopes that when they find a new body for the position he has a list ready to hand them. The fact still remains that it was a linden initiative to start with and the fact still remains that LL is no longer the small little company it was when it started and with that comes change. Its something you will have to accept as a side effect of success which is not that bad a thing.

I'll save him the trouble. Here ya go, LL: /274/1.html

Am I getting paid for this?

I wish you wouldn't call Strife that. From what I gather, Strife is working with nobody with regards processing resmod applications. He has merely made recommendations of the kind which "any Resident is welcome to do". Recommendations regarding the future of the resmodding program that is.

No, from all he has said, he is passing along only those people he recommends, based on a number of criteria he himself has set, not all of which are quantitative.

And it is highly doubtful any Linden came to him one day and said, "Find us some resmods."

The Lindens have consistently refused to allow more resmods to sign on. They have stated they would not allow it. They would not sign on more resmods, ever.

They led him and us to believe that if he didn't do it, no one would, because they wouldn't sign on anyone else, ever, and the forums would be over, due to attrition.

Strife has been working for over a year to get them to even CONSIDER having any new resmods.

As I recall, Strife said the (now-departed) Iridium agreed to consider his recommendations, and that represents the farthest Strife has ever gotten in his long efforts to get the Lindens to even CONSIDER signing on another resmod.

They have been adamantly opposed to signing on new resmods for over a year now, I believe.

And there is zero excuse for deliberately neglecting the forums in that fashion.

Zero. None, nada.

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Again, back to my point - what is wrong with passing along all the names of people who want to be resmod, along with his recommendations?

coco

Just nip along to Linden village during somebody's office hours.

http://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=mvktahmo6mjpvpkkkdnmabmghg%40group.calendar.google.com&gsessionid=dvMOBAlEouA

It's no big deal and they won't consider it a bother.

Nicely worded posts. I might add a posing question to reinerate the point. Why "wouldn't" the names of all the applicant's be passed on to LL?


~Maddy

I don't think anybody can come up with a reason that doing this would disrupt the Delicate Balance of the Forums but, well, it's just kinda difficult to get terribly distraught about it. The situation as we understand it is that Strife may have a hard time even finding a Linden who'll take any list of nominations, recommendations, or names vetted by the college of cardinals, and not just file it in the stack labeled "Review Once the Grid is Stable," a.k.a., the trashcan.

Maybe there's some important principle here that's lost on me, but it just seems like worrying over how many of our angels should dance on the head of a particularly proverbial pin.

I can't see any reason why not. Regular resume screeners often provide a list of those whom they've rejected, and at least a 1-line reason why. Seems a simple thing.

Can't imagine that Strife would object to this, in fact, have no idea whether or not he was always planning to do it.

Due to historical reasons, resmods were apparantly never folded in under the VTeam along with the other volunteers (my paraphrasing), but someone was going to ping Torley about the current resmod "unease".

It appears Torley's duties have shifted away from the forums to product management. So which Linden inherited Torley's duties, if that happened at all?

Just curious.

There's several Lindens who are part of the VTeam, so it just seemed very odd to me that they'd be so involved with in-world volunteers, but so uninvolved with the resmods (and Iridium's name came up and I don't think she was ever part of that team) so I simply asked if resmods were part of the actual VTeam program, but it doesn't seem like they are.

Torley's name probably only came up because that Linden figured he was either handling it, or would know who is supposed to look after the resmods.

Yes strife is trying to not have it shut down but it has been considered. They had a discussion I guess I dont get it. He is trying to get resmods accepted and he and a linden spoke (who is now gone or whatever so the project is on hold again not strife's fault neither is it strifes fault that he had to concince them to look at resmods however had they said NO he would not be looking) now This evil guy has worked to

a) get them to keep the forums open
b) consider the idea of accepting names
c) probably offered to help to screen the names to cut their work down as the motivation seems not to be there for them to come and pick the names up themselves and research their forum activities

yet somehow strife is evil and a control freak.

I'm gonna be blunt and honest people are doing to him what they do to anyone who tries to help SHOOT first and ask questions later

none of what I am seeing is a him being corrupt or anything. It just smacks of some kind of paranoia and bias and to much thinking as usual and more conspiracy theories. Sorry but i'm not subscribing to this conspiracy theory or the present paranoia revolving around the process. He could do nothing and let the forum die. He could have quit and said to iridium i'm the last resmod and iridium could have closed the forums, but he didn't do that he is trying to help find reinforcments.

Why would he not submit all the names? Well I dunno but we see how some people's personalities are on the forums and how they conduct themselves and he is here everday who better to do an initial screening. If people are so worried once the new guy comes in and starts to look at the process go to him and tell him that not all the names were submitted and state your reason why. In all honesty though I truly consider this entire thing a non issue and a lot of people are getting worked up over what amounts to nothing.

If strife does nothing i bet everyone would be angry too

If strife does anything people are gonna be angry from what I can see he cant even be trusted to submit the names. I don't know what the guy did but I haven't seen the side peopel says exist and i've been around long enough to see most sides of many things.

Why wouldn't he submit the name of some people ... I can make a few educated guesses and they revolvle around how people say things what they say and whether or not they try to stir up stuff.

others tried to make an issue over people nominating people as resmods. Well when it comes to a job that you actualy have to do something for nominating someone is more a popularity thing then anything functional. If someone wants to be a volunteer and is not assertive enough to comeo ut and say it themselves then how in heck are they gonna moderate, lock threads and deal with the BS that occurs on forums

the point is there really is no issue here please stop trying to make one when there is none. I actualy dont see a lot of people complaining in this thread who post here often, but I'm getting to the point where since the minority is being loud as usual in trying to get their way over an issue that forum closure is iminent as a result

lets just say I wont be impressed with those who brought it on because i consider it very very mean and lacking in thought. There are right ways and wrong ways to do things. I dont consider that what is going on here and how peole are going about throwing around accusations of power hungry people and stuff to be particularly shall we say helpful. I can say more but i will ask for the consipiracy theorists to retreat into the shadows (which of course they wont and this controvesy over nothing will continue) I wont be posting to this thread any longer because in all honesty this is one thread I am considiering reporting

why? because I dont see a lot of functional discussion going on here I see a lot of finger pointing and blame being passed onto one person or entity or another.

Nothing will be solved in this thread but its possible some harm can be done by this thread in the form of forum closure which i would like to prevent if at all possible

on that note i go to hit report in hopes this thread and this issue is killed before it escalates any further.

Which is what he then says in his notes. And submits those to the Lindens, along with the every name of everyone who wanted to be considered.

It's a simple thing. Really shouldn't be a matter of pulling teeth.

You know what, we are really just repeating ourselves here, and I agree with half you are saying anyway.

But you really can't decide for other people what is an issue and what isn't, or what they should talk about and what they should shut up about, just because for you, it isn't an issue.

And it doesn't do any good, imo, to characterize reasonable people with reasonable objections as "hysterical" or "paranoid," just because you don't agree with their opinions.

These objections are important to me and to others who have posted similar objections, and are, from my point of view, quite valid.

Understandably, I'm not just real anxious to see my opinions here "killed off," just because you see no problem and think there is no issue.

In fact, you can't really "kill off" other people's issues, just because you disagree with their opinions.

All these things pass in time anyway (speeded up time, in SL!) and soon enough we're all on to the next issue.

coco

Well, now you say mention it I agree, it is odd. What Lindens are involved with the VTeam?

It might be that the forums have never been in with the VTeam because the forums are not inworld and everything relating to them falls under the website group. BUT one could argue that since we are residents providing support to residents, the forum volunteers (i.e. resmods) should be coordinated by the VTeam crowd. That might actually help. What do you think?

you can have as many opinions as you like but when you start lobbying it becomes my issue as well

understand this

asking LL to do something its not prepared to do and slagging off a guy who is just trying to help is not helping to keep these forums open nor is it helping the issue of resmods for this forum its causing noise and its of little use

I can however decide if i think this issue and its noisemaking belongs here and I have and as such have reported the thread and stated my reasons why. whomever gets the report will act on it if they feel its appropriate they wil leave it open however I personally dont think its appropriate.

its noisemaking useless noisemaking on what is basically a non issue. If you want to get wound up over ever little thing that happens in this platform fine I however don't want to see you get everyone else wound up over a non issue.

In this case its not something like avs which is inevitable no matter how would up you get about it in this case you just might get the attention your seaking and deny a community that wants to keep this forum intact a forum they enjoy using.

If its not such a big deal then leave it be let him submit the names and find resmods I have no idea why people are even bothering with this issue or batting an eyelid he is just looking for moderators leave him be and let him look.

LL wont be moderating these forums anytime soon so there is no point in even going there so lets just take the next best thing and allow resmods to do it and stop being so picky about a process which really means nothing to you in the end NOTHING.


just adding this in in the end

the only thing i can see this accomplishing is to stop strife from gathering names and possibly have him just give up on the resmod thing or maybe get him "fired" if this is what this acchieves these forums will go away because there are at present no other resmods to take his place

but like gambling and AVS and ageplay theer is one certainty here LL will NOT be moderating these forums so asking them to is like talking to the wind.. its useless energy . In knowing this what does all this criticism of what is basicaly an okay selection process accomplishing?
If you stop to think about it you will find the answer and it wont be a positive one.

They might actually be weary to come anywhere near the "forum mess" as well from past experiences, although most of the current bad blood seems to come from people who only flock back when encouraged to from elsewhere. I don't think any Linden is too eager to "take on the forums" because whatever they do there will be pitchforks and torches.

It would make a lot of sense to have resmods folded into the VTeam though, if nothing else to give Strife a Linden(s) to talk to about appointing resmods. They wouldn't have to do more than that and if they don't want to step into the spotlight they could just let Strife do the work and simply pick the names out of the offered hat.

Do i have to copy and paste whatyou said again about the sun shining out strife's arse? I'm mirroring your words not mine

and please dont try to change what your saying as No i dont think he is a control freaks its the guys up in arms over the fact he locked a thread in the resmod forum that are screaming it not me

ooh the irony of it all

I myself know quite a few of the lindens. Strife is involved in so many areas that it would not surprise me if he doesn't know the majority, and every single one of the older ones. So I couldn't imagine him having any shortage of lindens to talk to about this matter.

Would have to agree with a couple of posters here and the reason Nika started the thread. The immediate danger is not the resmod selection process. The danger is the forums going poof. Unfortunately some of the lindens have become so jaded from past expiriences here that all they think of the forums is us argueing back and forth, flaming, trolling and pie. And what makes this worse and more critical is because it is some of the older, more influential lindens who have adopted this view. Like any company, LL would be subject to politics. We have to figure out a way to influence the outcome, to show all of the lindens that there are areas of the forums that they may have forgotten about and that are worth saving.

Some here have said to heck with it and let the forums die. I couldn't agree less with any statement. The same ones making that statement never use the other parts of the forum. All they do is stay in Resident answers and eagerly sit and wait for something else to argue about. Unfortunately since logic is usually not part of the argument, volume is used. This is why I never could be resmod, I would lobby hard to get rid of a few people here who are doing the forums a huge disservice.

Strife has a much thicker skin then anyone I know. It is going to be extremely difficult to find others of the same ilk. I trust his judgement on which names to send up the line more then the ones screaming to send em all up.

No Wilhelm. You absolutely are bloody well not. You put the words "control freak" in quotes as if I said them, and that is downright irresponsible of you. I did not say that, nor did anybody else in this thread, but apparently you are quite happy to give that false impression.

I said that about the sun shining out of Strifes arse OBVIOUSLY because our personal feelings about him are absolutely irrelevant to the point here. That is that both resmods AND residents should be overseen by Lindens in an OFFICIAL forum environment, and no one resident should have overrall control. If that is not the case, then this forum is no different to any other controlled by residents and we should stop pretending otherwise.

You are welcome to post another ten paragraph post full of allegations and false quotes against "unnamed people", but I would personally rather you dealt with the points at hand here.

I don't dislike you Wilhelm, but you can't blame me for responding like this given the words you are wrapping up in quotes as if they were said by others, and I refuse to be sucked any further into this line of discussion because it will only result in a flamewar. (Indeed, I have responded to you before but deleted my posts within a minute because I DON'T want an argument with you.)

Well that's not true.

deny all you want you pop up here and never usually post its as transparent as can be Im not that stupid and neither are most that's all i have so say about that.

I"m also not asking you to like me I am asking that you stop saying you want forum closure because a Linden isn't moderating and the moderation should not be in the hands of a single resident.

There is a solution to your dilmena if you dont like it just leave. its easy enough to do but trying to disassemlbe what remains on whatever crusade you guys are on this time isn't going to work on me i'm not that naive and as you can see I have eyes and I have used them as will others if they have not already.

Anyhow i'm done rant on demand your closures. I'm hoping that others will find the trail of breadcrumbs and then they too can draw their own conclusions.

(i'm also done with the thread that started it all in that other place that somehow made it okay to leak the problem over here..)

For goodness sake Willhelm, I am a regular poster here, I have been for over a year, and I am as much a part of this community as you. As such, I am perfectly entitled to my views. STOP telling people where they can and cannot post and what they can and cannot discuss because you do NOT have that authority, no matter how much you feel you belong.

yeah and these words that seemed to coincidently cause everyone to come here and "discuss" this issue just happened to fall on the page




Taken From
http://www.sluniverse.com/php/vb/showthread.php?t=2445

originally written by
Cocoanut Koala
11-05-2007, 12:43 PM




not from this forum but the root of what is going on here now..

short forum
"strife is a control freak and is the root of all evil"
I didn't write it i'm just quoting it.. get it yet? or am i still being too cryptic? for you?

You are quoting this from where? Who said that Wilhelm? It sure as hell wasn't me.

Edit: It sure as hell wasn't the person whose post you just edited-in either.