Brainstorm: bringing LL back to the forums

Well, if you think that's bad, how can you be in favor of just one resident picking them?


Actually, that's an "or," not an "and."

coco

It's not necessary for him to prevent the Lindens from seeing all the applications.

He can put his own notes beside everyone's name who applies.

But there is no reason at all for them not to see the names of everyone who has volunteered, and every reason why they should.


I agree.

coco

I agree. It would be an appalling turn of events if residents were allowed to pick the mods. That's one reason I thoroughly disapprove of another resident (Strife) being given such power.
A quick look revealed much in-fighting. After opening just three messages, I've established that they're called "The Clique", just yesterday one user got banned for a year for posting in the wrong forum, and it seems that although resmods are selected by the developers of the game, knowing them wouldn't hurt your resmod application.

No problem at all with that. People who are contracted are more accountable. What's the worst that can happen to an unruly resmod? The unpaid position he holds being taken away from him? Big deal. The contracted company lose their contract if they don't run the forums efficiently.

I never said I had a problem with outside contractors being given the keys. Just customers like you or I.



/paranoid hysteria snipped.

Wow, I missed that comment. I didn't want to read further when I realised the direction he was taking because it seems he's deciding all kinds of things based on psychic powers alone.

Like I'm lobbying for the firing of Strife. Wrong.
Like I'm not a regular here. *sigh*

If he think's that, he can't be a regular himself.

I would just like to see these forums moderated fairly, and that ultimately means more moderators chosen by Linden Lab (with Strife left where he is), and a daily Linden presence here (overseeing both us and the resmods).

Of course, I've said all this before, but the points tend to get diluted when all the emotive stuff comes along.

HUGE difference between a link on the account page, and links on secondary pages in community specific areas.

In terms of link advertising, I'd say several thousand dollars worth of difference based on the hit rate alone. I don't believe for a second that you of all people don't see the advantage of a direct link on the sidebar of every single page in the user account section. Pages that are automatically presented to the several million accounts registered here every. single. time. they log in.

Only those users who go looking for third party forums see the page you just quoted, but they're far more likely to have found them via Google if they had that intent, actually.

Tossing aside applications is neither good nor bad, it just is. If it's the reality for paid positions, why would anyone expect it to be different for a volunteered position.

I agree a Linden should speak as to what is going on, but that's not going to happen until the position is filled. Until then Strife is handling it in the best way he knows how as a volunteer trying to keep things running.

I'm under no delusion that Strife is a Linden. Neither will any of the new resmods when/if they are ever chosen. The Lindens have shown faith in Strife so I'm not surprised if they say "Just take care of that for us".

I think one difference in my opinions from others is that I became a resident this year. The days of close personal contact with the Lindens was over. To me they are just a big company like any big company and I don't expect them to act any differently.

There is a comment about the announcement in the jira entry, that it needed a date tweak so it wouldn't disappear. Since the actual text of the announcement still says that there is no ETA, a good assumption would be that there is still no ETA.

NONE of what you said is any reason for Strife not to pass along all the applicants, along with his recommendations.

coco

he's not picking them if you read he is sending them to LL the picking the mods himself is something people are busy making up. As I said i'm not blind or stupid this is the same hysteria that was created over other things like AVS, ageplay, gambling etc. Its being created as we go along and as in those cases I'm trying very hard not to participate and add to the hype however I get somewhat miffed when people start dumping on a person. Dumpingon a company is a bit different but now people are getting personal and I kind of take exception to that. I dont believe on dumping on any person not strife, not you not me and not the "ebil" prok. They are people as in individuals who should be left alone.

He is picking the ones he will let LL see.

coco

And if they are really interested in seeing the others they will come here to the forums to see for themselves or ask Strife to pass the others along. I don't think they'll do that because I don't think they want to see them all.

I really see these calls for a Forums Renaissance as a lot of effort for very little potential reward.

If there were twice as many active posters, maybe I could see it. But as it stands there seems only a small audience.

The true linden critics wont post here because they don't want to run a risk of losing their business due to a forums/in world ban.

Yep. I heard Strife was blocking LL from reading the ResMod forum so they couldn't see who was posting there to apply.

okay this one is pretty funny i'm assuming its a joke and dont make me laugh when I have quiche lorraine in my mouth please...

yeah that love hate thing is a real clincher they make their 60,000 usd or 1 million per year so they keep their mouth shut as the cash cow is still cashing in.

LMAO. Precisely.

I don't think they do either.

But what they want to see for themselves isn't what I'm talking about.

If a person wants to be a resmod, and answers this call for resmods, their name should be passed on. They shouldn't feel they have to please another resident, and shouldn't have to, either.

No matter who they are.

coco

I thought naming avatars was a big no-no on these forums.

Let's turn this around a bit, okay?

Tell me what is wrong with Strife turning in all the names.

coco

I think I'm understanding where you are coming from now. The real question seems to be whether Strife has assumed too much control on his own. I guess it comes down to what was the conversation that took place. If LL told Strife to filter some and submit his recommendations is one thing. If Strife chose to take that upon himself is another.

I'm guessing Strife was asked to filter. I can't imagine any Lindens having the time to go back and review each interested persons past posts. As you pointed out though, that's impossible to know until we actually hear from a Linden on this.

she was good needed salt though...

Well, I'm not even suggesting he remove the filter.

In other words, he could accompany each name with his own recommendations.

To illustrate this starkly:

"I think this person would be really good, because of (a), (b), and (c)."

"This person might be good, but I worry about (a)."

"This person has no more business moderating a forums than Donald Trump has doing an interpretive strip tease in Times Square, because of (a) and (b)."

That would be still be a useful filter for them.

Not even passing along the names to LL, though, is way too much latitude for any resident.

coco

P.S. To reiterate, I've asked twice for confirmation of this, in case despite what I read I had it wrong, but received no answer.

Fix just a few things about the forums and they will be positioned for wider use.

> Fix BBCode
> Clarify moderation policy (new resmods can do that themselves)
> Beef up pointers to the forums in content creation classes and new resident info kits from NCI, TUI, etc.

re: losing business due to banning:
I do think that inworld banning due to forum misspeaking is a bad policy. But I have little hope of getting LL to abandon that last-ditch tool. I wouldn't if I were them.

That said, I've been on the forums for only 8 months or so but I don't believe anyone has been banned inworld during that time. Please correct me if wrong. It is a VERY infrequent event, and in my lurking on 3rd party forums since SC closed I have yet to see anything that would get anyone anything other than suspended here.

Traumas take a long time to fade from people's memory, and unquestionably there was trauma here. But, as a noob like Bradley, I don't see that things are so dire. I think a lot of oldbies COULD return if they chose to without any risk to their inworld activities, and if they contribute real answers to people's questions, I think the forums would be better off. If they just need entertainment, that's perfectly valid but I'm ok with them doing it elsewhere!

People somehow have come to decide that somehow someway he is recruiting on his own without being asked from what I can tell which is of course totally illogical. Someone must be asking him to. If he is so much the control freak it would make no sense for him to do exactly what he is doing. ON top of it LL is capable of reading this forum if and whe they want to, but like many larger companies they aren't not on a regular basis anyhow.

If people are so concerned go meet up torley linden or some other "popular linden" and ask them to come to the forum and pick up the names themselves. I wouldlike to point out though that any linden that actualy makes a decision usually becomes an unpopular linden just like strife is unpopular as a resmod or anyone else because invariably they are going to make a decision someone wont like. The reason certain lindens are popular is because they dont actualy make decisions they make press and say nice things and never get into the decision making areas as their job is to market the thing.


As it stands though no one is volunteering so he keepslowering the criteria which are to be honesty not much to start with. His criteria are the nubmer of post which has been lowered to something like 200. This makes sense and honestly I think 200 is a bit low but that's me. If someone only has 10 posts to their name they certainly dont know the community and are probably not qualified. If someone is busy opening their big yap like me they have a post count and have engaged in the community and the fact they have a high post count and have no AR track record means that they do nothing that is considered inappropriate. Those are pretty slim criteria and those are the names he is passing along. NOthing wrong with that it makes sense.

What I dont want seeing is someone hearing there is a call for moderators deciding oo power I want to moderate and poping up with a postcount of 3 and volunteering. Those are the people being eliminated. On a personal note I would probably myself eliminate any forum bashers who hate this particular community (they aren't hard to find..) and that is why i'm nto a moderator because I will judge peopel on their behaviour elsewhere

Strife has not siezed control of the forums the fact that he is the only mod left standing just is.. he didn't make things that way it just happened. Lindens hold the big key to this forum and can see everything. Someone (a linden) has said find me volunteers for resmods so apost was made and names are being collected. To me this is a good thing beacuse its a sign they have an intention of keeping the forums up and running and possibly even expanding them.

This wish or in some cases demand to have the old LL back just isn't going to happen anymore. They are now an international entitty with offices in more then one country. Moderating boards means you have to actualy have time to read them. Even residents who do read these boards cant possibly keep up with all the posts in every subforum here it would take all day. I highly doubt there is any single linden that has all day and all night to sit there and hit refresh and monitor forums 24/7 any longer.

Once upon a time philip linden posted as well. Those days are gone and wont ever be back. We are where we are because mess or wires and servers actualy manages towork (somehow) and has drawn a large audience. Private islands likely outnumber that of the mainland sims and people order more every day. They are finaly upgrading the physics engine, working on mono somewhere in the background. fixing bugs that people complain need to be fixed faster and moving towards open sourcing the sim software. Which one of those things would you like them to slow down on so they can delegate 4 or 5 lindends to do nothing but moderate forums. In light of the actual important work I would prefer a better working grid as apposed to having Lindens tied up doing something a volunteer is perfectly capable of doing..

Just in case any of you are still wasting your time applying to become a resmod,

* The Lindens are NOT soliciting resmod applications at this time, and it's unlikely they will do so until they hire a Communications Manager.

So if anybody posts a thread suggesting otherwise, don't bother. Don't believe me? Just write your favourite Linden. (Make it a well-positioned, old-timer though.) That will clear things up for you.

Over and out.