Big Shuffle in the All Search. Will it last?

This was my reply:




I will modify that in order to answer your current question....if you would please add:

a) 2 .. someone using an alt in forum to back up their other alt who is backing up their main av who got fried in a debate

Please change d) to: (Nina enlightened me)

d) someone using 2 alts in the same thread, regardless of who they are backing up, and regardless of whether or not they got fried in a debate

So you can't answer it. Admit it.

forget the alt tangent. You can not say one is ethical and the other not... because either both are ethical. Or both are unethical.

So is it:
A: one is ethical and the other isn't
B: both should be considered ethical
C: both are unethical

Neither is wrong or unethical.

LMAO

Well...I would think that this comment clearly proves that you have not been around long.

So you think it is okay to create doorway (specialized landing) pages just for propagation of links to boost the numbers of in-bound links? Or using specialized adsense pages? Or garbled text to get around keyword spam systems?

Have you ever come across the phrase "argument from fallacy"? Or do you think that doorways pages, garbled text and specialised AdSense pages are the only methods of "manipulating web searches"? Read your own question again to see where you used an argument from fallacy.

Just so you know... I have no intention of discussing doorway pages, garbled text or MFA (Made For AdSense) pages here. It is not possible to make use of them in SL, so such a discussion has no place here. Actually, text can be garbled in the All search pages, but to no avail as there are no spam filters in the SL search. So, if you want to discuss specific web methods, go somewhere else to discuss them.

Why are you peeps even entertaining MortVent into a discussion?......can you not see?

That's not the way it works Phil.

I think your 'failure to jump through my hoops will be taken as an admission....' is completely infantile. I don't accept it.
You, however appear to be claiming that it is valid. You proposed it as a test. If you believe that it applies to anybody, then you must believe that it applies to you.

So
I say that it's not valid. I don't have to jump through the hoops.
You say that it is valid. You either have to jump through the hoops or back off.

No apology necessary. It was not appropriate.

If you read back over the threads, you'll notice that Phil dynamically transgenders me depending on the day of the week, the weather, or whatever.



It's entirely possible that I would give business to someone who games the system.
For example, a friend invited me to some RP involving guns. I bought the necessary armaments. They were very good and I joined the group to keep an eye out for updates, etc.
A few weeks ago group messages started to promote rewards for placing picks. That place in NOT in my picks. I still have the guns.

I really don't see that one nutter (from the vendor's point of view!) returning merchandise moves us on. I prefer to spend any time on the topic before a larger audience. If I were to tour SL doing one-on-one with gamers, I'd be at it for the rest of my life.
However, if I became aware that a place in my Picks had started gaming, I would drop the Pick.


I don't see anything wrong with you using words like "spank and orgie" as keywords as long as you actually have that stuff available.
If the point of your question is to link a distaste for search-gaming with a distaste for kink, then I don't see that they are necessarily linked.

What the hell are you waffling about now LOL.

It's perfectly simple. I said that you don't know what you're talking about, and I gave you 9 examples of it from one of your posts. I'd already asked you to verify something that you claimed to know, but you failed to do it, whilst claiming it again - as one of the 9 examples. So I asked you to verify it again, but you failed to do it again. What you did do was post something that was the opposite of what is true - even indirectly making out that the Google creators, and the engines that followed their lead, are fools. So...

The "way it works" is that you claim to know something, I ask you to prove it, you fail to prove it (twice), you say something that's the opposite of what is true, so you didn't know what you claimed to know. I.e. you didn't know what you were talking about, but you spewed the stuff out anyway.

I'm not actually criticising you, Sling. I know you can't help it, being as you are intellectually challenged, so it's not your fault. I'm merely pointing out the facts, that's all.

It's just that I'd always assumed that you are male - from your posts and from your name. I was amazed when someone mentioned that you female. But it's only a female avatar, and we are not avatars in the forum, so I prefer to go with my strong impression of you.

I would use there terms dull, tedious and boring!

Which gave Phil the strong impression that I was male?

yes, the mall alt was just as entertaining as i had thought.

ok....so it's ok to support someone whose behavior you wholeheartedly disapprove of..... with your lindens, as long as you don't announce to the world that you're supporting them. I can see where there might be a bit of a conflict there.



Well, I suppose you're right.....it was an art gallery.....and art IS very subjective in your interpretations. I think that furniture is too.....some times I have to stop and think...now is this Retro....or is this Vintage....my oh my....that's a tough call.

Since a good portion of us in this thread sell furniture....might I suggest that you all remember to remind your customers in your next ad that those sofas and chairs would make a wonderful cushion for the next "spank" session....and don't forget that those rugs make a lovely backdrop for the "orgy."

Remember...those keywords must be a service to the shopping community! .......or you're considered a "gamer."

I don't think that you read with an open mind.
I was saying that I would not support a gamer after I became aware that they were or had become a gamer. That was absolutely the case with the guns - if you care to read back.



I take it you looked at the Picks in my Profile and saw that gallery.
You seem to be under the entirely false impression that is is solely a well-done gallery or erotic art.
However, although nudity and sexual activity is forbidden on the main gallery floors, there are two levels of the build and two towers where all the activities in the keywords are permitted and facilitated by the scripted furniture and poseball sets.
Perhaps you would like to visit the place and see for yourself rather than making assumptions.


As for your desire stated in a post post above to put keywords like spank and orgie (the French spelling) on your parcel, as I said before, why not as long as you actually have that stuff?

Parcels are made to look like web pages for the benefit of the search appliance.
I suppose you could put sentences in your parcel description text like "sofas and chairs would make a wonderful cushion for the next "spank" session....and don't forget that those rugs make a lovely backdrop for the "orgy." Your problem is that the space available for your own text is limited and saying that might scare off some of your market.
If that is the only connection that you would have to 'spank' and 'orgy' then I would say that putting them as keywords in your parcel description would be misleading.

Actually...as I listen to judgment calls being made on methods that I lose no sleep over....my mind is becoming more and more open to some areas which I had considered black....and those areas are becoming more grayish now.....once I put the whole picture into perspective.

As I said before....the people who are deciding to start labeling areas that I consider totally white as black now......are forcing my opinion toward that direction.



I don't know....I think there's a pretty good connection between a chair and a "spank" session....and a rug and an "orgy"......I mean you really don't want to have your orgy on a ceramic tile floor....do you?....and one might find it much more comfortable to sit in a chair for that "spank" session.

Use of keywords is unlimited....you can label your products with them.....you can run as many classified ads as you like. Your ability to be creative is endless. And I do consider creativity a valuable marketing tool....not a gaming device.

Phil, please also recall - even if an inworld AV is female, and its typewritten word claims to be female, its RL self might still possibly be male.

Yes. Sling has always struck me as being male and I don't allow the avatar to alter that. I haven't actually seen Sling state what RL gender he is.

Some people might think that you are advocating the use of misleading keywords. Even some people posting here and that I would consider gamers would not agree that such a practice would be acceptable in their view.

They might be a tad confused by your post above as in the posts that led up to it, you appeared to be taking me to task because of your completely mistaken impression that a place in my Picks used such misleading keywords.

This is absolutely true.
There have been a few threads on the topic.
Apparently there are all sorts of signs for detecting male typist behind female avatars.

Proposed sure-fire methods have included:
Being lesbian (i.e. mesbian)
Calling people "Hun"
Big tits
Dressing like slut
Giggling and batting eyelashes a lot
Not knowing their proper place in the pecking order
Analysis of text

All of these have produced people saying that they fitted the profile but were still female in RL. There was even a text-scanning website mentioned. People of both sexes tried this and found to their surprise that they were not the sex that they believed themselves to be.
It's all very confusing

Let's get this straight. Keywords are just a concept and don't actually exist. Words on the page are just that - words - not keywords. Keywords are in the minds of the people who cause the words to be on the page, and that's all. So words on the page cannot be judged just because they are there, and they don't become (targeted) keywords just because somebody doesn't like them being there because the place doesn't actually have them - e.g. orgies or spankings.

If a clothes place advertises, or says in its description, "Look like a million dollars!", it doesn't mean that place has a million dollars on offer, and it doesn't mean that the place wrote "million dollars" as a keyphrase.

So it's best to leave out the idea of keywords, which implies target words, because they only exist in the minds of the writers, and not in the minds of the readers.

When I think of keywords in the SL parcel html page, I think of the title - The Parcel name
That's where people try to pack in relevant words because the search engines give attention to page titles.

If you read what I said to Mickey, I was easy about using words in the body of the page where they can be read in context. They are not page-title or meta keywords. They can indeed be picked up by search engines, but it is up to the search engines to try and allocate appropriate weight to their presence in particular sections of the page, their relationship to other words or their use in links.

I was suggesting that words and phrases and can be very subjective....who here does not know that.

Was also suggesting that the more a person stifles your creativity....the more creative you become.

What you think of keywords is wrong then. Actual keywords are *only* in the minds of the writers. They are the words that the writer is targeting, and they can be placed anywhere on the page, and not just in the title (parcel name). They can be placed there, of course, but merely being there doesn't make them keywords.

So you're saying that, if a place uses the description field for *all* of its seats - couches, chairs, stools, whatever - to include the phrase, "ideal for cuddles, spankings and even for sex", then the words "cuddles, "spankings" and "sex" are not keywords as far as you're concerned? You have a lot to learn, Sling.

Incidentally, there is no meta keywords tag on the pages. I guess you heard of that tag somewhere, and misunderstood what it is. Nothing new there.