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Big Shuffle in the All Search. Will it last?

Phil Deakins
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04-28-2009 10:49
Sometime in the last hour, the results from the All search became hardly recognisable. Will it last or is it some transient messing up by LL?
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Ciaran Laval
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04-28-2009 10:52
They're messing with adult keyword filtering so I expect a lot of chaos in the coming months.
Oryx Tempel
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04-28-2009 10:57
Well shucks. I had my description perfect. I suppose I'll have to go look at it again after this is all over. Make sure I don't have the word "analogy" in there anywhere. :rolleyes:
Phil Deakins
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04-28-2009 11:13
lol Oryx!

I probably is something do with preparing for the adult search, as you suggest, Ciaran. They appear to have made a fresh index of html pages, rather than just replacing the contents as is normal with the 12 hour page refreshes. But even so, nothing is being filtered from the All search, so I can't imagine why the rankings would have changed so radically if it were just part of the preparations. We'll see what transpires in the next day or so.
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Elanthius Flagstaff
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04-28-2009 11:36
Awesome, I've dropped from first place to second or third page on the keywords I care about.

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Sling Trebuchet
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04-28-2009 12:10
Apart from the Adult keyword vector, LL did blog that
From: Blog

n the next few months, we will be making both technical and policy changes to the way relevance and ranking works in Search. The "traffic" score will be only one aspect of the ranking logic, and it will be scrubbed and weighted to account for gaming vectors.


While contemplating the resulting chaos and brokenness, please remember to kick your local friendly search-gamers between the legs any time you come across them.
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Amity Slade
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04-28-2009 12:17
From: Sling Trebuchet

While contemplating the resulting chaos and brokenness, please remember to kick your local friendly search-gamers between the legs any time you come across them.


Since I can't figure out how the Search engine works, I've decided to embrace the search-gamers and subscribe to their newletter. They'll be the first to figure out whatever new system is in place. I never will. The only way to survive the system in a Kafkaesque world is to submit to the system.

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Mickey Vandeverre
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04-28-2009 12:22
Sorry Phil....I tweaked keywords last night. Tonight, will be labeling the walls and floors in the new wing....so yes, it might last.
Nimue Jewell
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04-28-2009 12:24
Well, whatever this is, it really doesn't like my mainstore. :/

I have to be AFK a fair bit today anyway, so I'll just wait and see what tomorrow brings.
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Nimue Jewell
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04-28-2009 12:25
From: Sling Trebuchet
Apart from the Adult keyword vector, LL did blog that
**Blog quote**.


I noticed that too.
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Bubba Biberman
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04-28-2009 12:32
I too have had a number 1 listing drop to low on the second page of All today. A while back, I created a duplicate store on a property next to my main store to do some testing on IBLs and keywords. Over the last 2 weeks the test store moved up to first page, but my main store remained #1. Today the test shop is #1, my main store is on page 2. The test shop has only half the inventory of the main, but the real difference between the two is traffic. I have kept my main store at around 4000 with "good" bots and last time I checked the test store was 63. Could this have anything to do with the new traffic policy?
Nimue Jewell
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04-28-2009 12:35
Any chance it could be related to this?

http://status.secondlifegrid.net/2009/04/26/post609/
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Phil Deakins
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04-28-2009 12:38
Being as how (I believe) they created a brand new index of html pages, it could well be that all the IBLs haven't yet been accounted for and that things will look a lot different in the next day or so - maybe less.

The reason I think they created a brand new index of html pages is because the pages that I've visited don't show in the visited color. They show in the unvisted color. I put that down to them being different URLs - different pagenames - i.e. different UUID numbers for pagenames.
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Novis Dyrssen
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04-28-2009 12:39
From: Nimue Jewell
Any chance it could be related to this?


That might be an explanation why the JVA profile pick boards have stopped working again on new picks... *sighs*
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Phil Deakins
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04-28-2009 12:42
From: Nimue Jewell
Any chance it could be related to this?

http://status.secondlifegrid.net/2009/04/26/post609/
It could well be that. If avatar URLs are not as they should be, then the links that the search system uses may be finding a lot of "dangling links" - links that point to pages that don't exist. If the avatar pages are not being found by the system, then their links (Picks) to places' pages won't be found and that would definitely affect the rankings.

But don't worry about me, folks. I moved up to #1 for the single word "furniture" :D But I suspect it will be short-lived.
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Nimue Jewell
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04-28-2009 12:47
From: Phil Deakins
But don't worry about me, folks. I moved up to #1 for the single word "furniture" :D But I suspect it will be short-lived.

:p I noticed that.
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Sae Luan
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04-28-2009 13:15
I jumped from the first page down to the third page on the keywords that probably get me the most hits when people search all. :(
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Elanthius Flagstaff
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04-28-2009 13:20
Yay, back to top or nearly top for everything.
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Marcel Flatley
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04-28-2009 13:24
From: Sling Trebuchet

While contemplating the resulting chaos and brokenness, please remember to kick your local friendly search-gamers between the legs any time you come across them.

For fucks sake cant you ever let go??? Must this forum be your personal false ethics bible? Buy some porn and see if you can get off on that as well.
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Phil Deakins
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04-28-2009 13:44
From: Elanthius Flagstaff
Yay, back to top or nearly top for everything.
Yep. It's all coming back in now. I don't think it's fully in but, if not, it's largely in.
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Phil Deakins
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04-28-2009 13:45
From: Marcel Flatley
For fucks sake cant you ever let go??? Must this forum be your personal false ethics bible? Boy some porn and see if you can get off on that as well.
There are just a few outright idiots in the forum, Marcel. You just need to accept them for what they are ;)
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Sling Trebuchet
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04-28-2009 13:49
From: Marcel Flatley
For fucks sake cant you ever let go??? Must this forum be your personal false ethics bible? Boy some porn and see if you can get off on that as well.


Nope!
Nope! But it presents itself all the time.
I don't think so.



I'm sensing mild irritation in your post.


Lookit asswipe...
If Search did not have to try and deal with gamers, the algorithms would be a lot simpler.
The moment the engines get all 'clever' that's when the innocent really start to suffer.
Search-games are pissing in the pool.
They cheat-at-cards. They are a low form of life.
When the system starts to try to mitigate the damage done to results by the gamers, it screws it up even more for everybody.
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Novis Dyrssen
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04-28-2009 13:54
Filtering adult stuff has NOTHING to do with search-gamers. And ffs, they're just advertising.
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04-28-2009 13:56
From: Novis Dyrssen
Filtering adult stuff has NOTHING to do with search-gamers. And ffs, they're just advertising.


guess you missed the part where they are altering the math behind search in order to minimize the effect of traffic due to the way it was manipulated in order to alter search rankings.
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Phil Deakins
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04-28-2009 13:58
From: Sling Trebuchet
Lookit asswipe...
If Search did not have to try and deal with gamers, the algorithms would be a lot simpler.
Lookit idiot...
LL does not have the ability to change the alorithms. You believing things like that, and what you post about it, is what makes you show yourself up as such an idiot.
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