guess you missed the part where they are altering the math behind search in order to minimize the effect of traffic due to the way it was manipulated in order to alter search rankings.
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04-28-2009 13:58
guess you missed the part where they are altering the math behind search in order to minimize the effect of traffic due to the way it was manipulated in order to alter search rankings. _____________________
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04-28-2009 14:01
Boy some porn and see if you can get off on that as well. haha BOY some porn.. nice.. sorry Marcel but that made my coffee exit nose ![]() _____________________
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04-28-2009 14:02
and encouraging others to things like kicking and violence is more morally or ethically correct how??
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04-28-2009 14:04
Filtering adult stuff has NOTHING to do with search-gamers. And ffs, they're just advertising. It's highly probable that the current strangeness is not due to the playing with adult stuff keywords. It could well be just standard SNAFU. Now that you raise the topic of the adult stuff. The discussions on this are an illustration of how difficult it is to tailor search results in response to a need other than the search terms used. LL say that they plan to start working on the ranking by taking gaming vectors into account. You just know that search ranking is about to go through constant strangeness once they start in on it. "And ffs, they're just advertising." Like spammers Like fly-posters Just advertising. _____________________
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04-28-2009 14:07
Lookit idiot... LL does not have the ability to change the alorithms. You believing things like that, and what you post about it, is what makes you show yourself up as such an idiot. Lookit idiot... n the next few months, we will be making both technical and policy changes to the way relevance and ranking works in Search. The "traffic" score will be only one aspect of the ranking logic, and it will be scrubbed and weighted to account for gaming vectors. _____________________
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04-28-2009 14:10
and encouraging others to things like kicking and violence is more morally or ethically correct how?? and kicking and violence is possible in SL how? _____________________
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04-28-2009 14:13
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04-28-2009 14:15
sorry, my mistake....i thought you meant that folks should "kick" whenever possible in whatever way possible...since this is SL of course.
so that said....how is that kind of behavior different from the search manipulation? in my mind you either take the high road or you dont no matter what behaviors are exhibited. guess i get kinda cranky when i see folks attacking others in the forums and then encouraging others to do it also.... _____________________
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04-28-2009 14:17
Honestly, when it comes to what Phil thinks about what Linden Lab can and can't do with the search, vs. what Linden Lab officially says they can do with the Search, I trust Linden Lab. I don't read every word that either party has ever spoken. However, Linden Lab has lied to me far more often than Phil has. He may be wrong, but if I don't know myself for sure, his word is the safer investment.
P.S. To be clear, I do not support or use traffic bots. At least not yet. My thing is that I hate Traffic as the top dominant force when it comes to Search results, and the lack of alternative ways of getting results without Traffic's influence. P.S. Pt. II. I should mention that I believe I don't use Traffic bots. However, I do leave my avatar logged in unattended rather than logging out, just for the little bit of extra traffic boost. If Linden Lab considers me to be a part-time bot under the new rules, which are vague and leave "bot" undefined, then maybe I am using a traffic bot without realizing it. |
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04-28-2009 14:21
.... guess i get kinda cranky when i see folks attacking others in the forums and then encouraging others to do it also.... That's OK... guess I get kinda kinda cranky when I see folks screwing it up for other folks and then encouraging others to do it also.... If it makes you feelany better Delete the 'kiking' bit. Change it to: When you come across a search-gamer, smile sweetly and thank them for pissing in the pool and messing it up for everyone else. _____________________
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![]() All I know is the search all results have drastically changed...for whatever reason. _____________________
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04-28-2009 14:24
.... P.S. Pt. II. I should mention that I believe I don't use Traffic bots. However, I do leave my avatar logged in unattended rather than logging out, just for the little bit of extra traffic boost. If Linden Lab considers me to be a part-time bot under the new rules, which are vague and leave "bot" undefined, then maybe I am using a traffic bot without realizing it. If it were not for the activities of systematic search-gamers, this would not really be an issue. Like spam, search-gaming does not scale well. _____________________
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04-28-2009 14:27
That's good news then.
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04-28-2009 14:29
Soooo.... beyond all the bickering....
If I change the DESCRIPTION.... NOT the name... of my parcel... will it screw up all the Picks/Landmarks that are out there now? |
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04-28-2009 14:29
lookit idiot. If you weren't so full of yourself and took a few minutes to read the thread, you would know what happened, and you'd know that it had nothing to do with what you quoted. It had everything to do with preparing for the adult filtered searches, which has nothing to do with search gaming. Get it now, idiot? lookit idiot. If you weren't so full of yourself and took a few minutes to read the thread, you would have seen me posting "It's highly probable that the current strangeness is not due to the playing with adult stuff keywords. It could well be just standard SNAFU." _____________________
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04-28-2009 14:33
sorry, my mistake....i thought you meant that folks should "kick" whenever possible in whatever way possible...since this is SL of course. so that said....how is that kind of behavior different from the search manipulation? in my mind you either take the high road or you don't no matter what behaviors are exhibited. guess i get kinda cranky when i see folks attacking others in the forums and then encouraging others to do it also.... That is the main reason why I lost my temper in that posting. Sling has the honor of being the first one to succeed in that. Sling has her own set of values we all have to live by, if not we are lowlifes, asswhipes, and those are the mild ones. Only those with her view on ethics are worthy. Sad enough, she would not recognize the highroad if she gets run over while walking on it. Each and every thread where the word Search is mentioned, she feels the need to convince us of her holy view. Most of the time I can laugh about it, this time I got irritated. Did it show? Why can I laught about it most of the time? Because most of the time, when search is regarded, she has no clue what she is talking about. And any valid argument gets wrapped in so much bullshit, it still doesn't make any sense. Part of the reason I got irritated is bacause of what you read above, part of it is seeing my business go to the third page, where I was on page one at #4 for my keywords. When one spends so much time in investigating search and optimizing for it, that is sour. Glad things returned to be as they should be though. What I really do not understand, is why LL decides to mess around with the live system, where are sensible developers would use a copy of the database to do tryouts. How the hell are we supposed to do business on a platform that is used as a sandbox by it's developers? _____________________
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04-28-2009 14:36
haha BOY some porn.. nice.. sorry Marcel but that made my coffee exit nose ![]() LOL that is for not reading back what I write.. I did correct it though ![]() _____________________
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04-28-2009 14:45
...... Sling has her own set of values we all have to live by, if not we are lowlifes, asswhipes, and those are the mild ones. Only those with her view on ethics are worthy. Sad enough, she would not recognize the highroad if she gets run over while walking on it. Each and every thread where the word Search is mentioned, she feels the need to convince us of her holy view. Most of the time I can laugh about it, this time I got irritated. Did it show? Why can I laught about it most of the time? Because most of the time, when search is regarded, she has no clue what she is talking about. And any valid argument gets wrapped in so much bullshit, it still doesn't make any sense. ..... Almost everyone agrees that using Bots to manipulate traffic (and therefore Search rankings) is unfair. Not only with respect to Search itself but also due to the load on Mainland Region resources and how that can impact other Residents in the area. Therefore we are setting policy that attempting to gain an unfair Search advantage, by the use of Bots to inflate the Traffic for a parcel, will be considered a violation. This policy applies to both Mainland and Private Estates as both are represented in Search. ........ In the next few months, we will be making both technical and policy changes to the way relevance and ranking works in Search. The "traffic" score will be only one aspect of the ranking logic, and it will be scrubbed and weighted to account for gaming vectors. It would appear that others share my distaste for gamers. _____________________
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04-28-2009 14:48
Soooo.... beyond all the bickering.... If I change the DESCRIPTION.... NOT the name... of my parcel... will it screw up all the Picks/Landmarks that are out there now? Bickering Oryx? Did not notice that ![]() Changing parcel name or description has no influence whatsoever on picks and landmarks. Doing that occasionally as part of search optimizing. Or Gaming, according to a valued forum member ![]() _____________________
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04-28-2009 14:48
So, nice and easy question for you, Sling: If you think traffic is bullshit and if you (I presume) think picks camping is also screwing results... what criteria would YOU invent to make search show an exact result of the relevance of a place?
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04-28-2009 14:52
Soooo.... beyond all the bickering.... If I change the DESCRIPTION.... NOT the name... of my parcel... will it screw up all the Picks/Landmarks that are out there now? _____________________
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04-28-2009 14:54
Bickering Oryx? Did not notice that ![]() Changing parcel name or description has no influence whatsoever on picks and landmarks. Doing that occasionally as part of search optimizing. Or Gaming, according to a valued forum member ![]() So if I'm tired of "Int'l House Of Style - Cheongsam Sari Salwars Lehenga Kimono" I can change it, and not have it screw up people's Picks/Landmarks that land me in the top 3 or 4 of my desired range? I can change it to "International House Of Style......." (understanding that cheongsam, sair, salwars, lehenga, kimono will no longer be a part of my major search logarithm) without jacking up Picks/Landmarks? |
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04-28-2009 14:55
lookit idiot. If you weren't so full of yourself and took a few minutes to read the thread, you would have seen me posting "It's highly probable that the current strangeness is not due to the playing with adult stuff keywords. It could well be just standard SNAFU." _____________________
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