Big Shuffle in the All Search. Will it last?

of course. thats the linden way®.

Did I insult someone? How?

Well, you did disagree with Sling. To his mind, that's tantamount to an insult. After all, Sling does know what's right, so any disagreement is a challenge to his superior knowledge and judgement and, therefore, an insult.

Maybe they removed the initial link to the wiki pages so that the wiki can't be crawled. Perhaps because it's editable by users and there's no telling what might appear in there.

oh...ok. I thought Sling was a woman. Sorry if I used the word "she".

Sling....can I run something by you?

We're talking about ethics here....and you're very strong willed and opinionated and dedicated to your mission.....so I would assume that you probably wouldn't give business to someone who "gamed" the system....let alone run a Pick ad for them.

So you feel that it is acceptable to use the words "spank and orgie" for keywords? I see that you obviously approve of that....and quite relieved that you find that acceptable......because I have been dying to use those keywords in my ads.

LOL Nina. Sorry about that....but surely you could see where I would be hesitant to discuss ethics with someone who "steals" blood.....no offense to the vampires.

vitae is never stolen, its merely 'appropriated'

Popularity of the PRODUCT matters. Popularity of the shop can be an indicator, but as you know, can be misleading due to presense of avatars for other reasons, not limited to bots.

I don't have to assume that popularity of products does not matter. I know it. So does every advertising firm; it's basic marketing. And you're right that many prefer products that are NOT popular, but that doesn't mean popularity is insignificant; quite the opposite.

Popularity is often insignificant once you've found the product you're looking for, but that's beside the point, because Search is all about finding things, not evaluating them once you've found them.

Regardles, I assume that most customers do NOT care about rankings that are obtained by false pretenses, such as increasing traffic using bots. That is my principle point, and I've seen no good arguments to challenge it.

Seriously: gaming the rankings with intentionally deceitful ploys is cheating. The best defense is, "Well, so many others cheat, I have to cheat as well". They can put lipstick on that pig, but it's still a pig.

Adjusting your keywords so you get the highest ranking possible while using keywords that are honest inidcators of your products or services is not gaming in any way. It's simply learning to use the system to its best capacity. I hope others here don't mean otherwise, but I get the impression from some of her posts that shey do. I just have to assume I'm misunderstanding, because it makes no sense. As long as you're honestly representing your buslness, it is NOT gaming, cheating, bad, nasty, or otherwise reprehensible. It's simply the obvious and intelligent thing to do.

Gaming is also the obvious and intelligent thing to do, if maximizing profit is your primary goal. This has been Phil's position all along. It makes sense; it's understandable, and it annoys some people as we all know. The key issue here is how serious an ethical violation it is to do this. Personally, I think it's ethically poor, but on a relatively minor scale compared to what I consider really important regarding business ethics. So, while we can argue with Phil that he was making an ethical error, we can't extend that to imply that he's ethically bankrupt.

I agree with Sling that Phil's technical rants are completely beside the point and his bad rhetoric on that point tend to undermine his position rather than strengthen it.

In any case, bots are now against LL policy, so maybe we should stop beating the dead horse.

That's no way to talk about Sling, but I do see what you mean

I suggest you spell it "orgy".

Gee Phil, I meant you, not Sling!

But Lear....now that one particular horse is supposedly dead....some people have decided to find new ones....to go down the list and start making the next judgment calls...almost like it's a sport for them.

Maybe I didn't follow along well....I'll go back and double check.....but didn't this discussion originally start concerning Searches.

Once someone starts delving into searches and marketing....you're going to see a few arguments from me.

I will....but I used the word as it was spelled in the subject's keywords.

What Mall in 03/04?

First off, there were no giant malls in 03, except my Mall, Aqua Galleria. The next largest Mall had about 10-12 vendors and belonged to Stampshady Grim.

In 2004. There were only 4 Island Estate Malls.

- Galleria City - mine (the first island estate mall in SL)
- Galleria Skywalk - mine (the second island estate mall in SL)
- Some Anshe Chung crap mall that copied me in nearly every major aspectbecause i canned her ass.
- Midnight City Island (Which was not a mall but a gather of stores of close friends)
- Sensual Cassanova also had a shopping place, but it was more events and stuff with a shopping section as opposed to being a dedicated Mall sim.

Sure there were by June 2004 - A LOT of mainland malls. But as far as Island Estate Malls go... What i listed above was all.

If Sansha Soulstar aka Tanitha Sawson ran a mall, it was never on the radar. But back then, just like now, EVERYONE WAS trying to follow the leader.


Edit to add:

ALSO. I am finding it more common that people are "claiming" to be from generations that their current account is not. I do not see what the use in that is. Being born in 09 and then claiming you are from 2003 but cannot prove it, is rather lame.

People are always claiming they had an early account, or was in beta, but never have any proof except the little words in their profile that make the claim.

OK...I went back and checked....to be fair.

That's what started to get me riled up a tad. Although it may have been directed to someone who uses bots...it was included in a discussion about Searches....and particularly says Search Gamers.

I personally take huge offense at someone suggesting that others kick those who use effective search methods and effective marketing tools offered. That set the tone.

Lol, I was away for a day and look at how this thread has grown

Thanks Phil for your reply. In my opinion a Pick should be associated with a parcels co-ordinates, I wonder why LL doesn't do that. It would be easy to do (right?) and all avis could change anything they want in the name and description of their Picks and still 'support' their favorite places and shops. Now the Pick system is very 'fragile', so to speak.

The only person that said mall was a troll.

I said I offered vendor space, which you and they assume means mall. Without considering it simply means vendor space. A group of 512s scattered across the grid under various groups, with a couple larger ones here and there. All group owned, vendors were all 1 prim and simple consignment scripted.

So why everyone was following the leader, I was finding the niche that worked well for me. Following the pack is not always the way to go, for that way lies the lemming syndrome and the cliff.

And don't tell me that you can remember every little store front scattered over the grid that offered people a spot to put up a vendor for a cut of the profits.

edit: and yes I have alts, about 2 more that I used here and there for various things.

In 2003 and 2004, you sure as hell bet i can.

I have never run across an avatar from 2003 that I did not know or did not know of through some one else.

And i sure as hell remember every store front scattered across the grid in 2004 since i owned over 200,000m2 and I kept myself abreast of as many fashion content creators and designers as I could since my malls were Invite only and i was constantly looking for new talent to bring to the top.

Traveling grid was super easy in 2004. Knowing the name of every sim in 2004 was super easy, knowing the location of most "mall type places" in 2004 was really easy - especially when it was your job to see what the competitors and other mall type places were doing.

And i never addressed you by name nor saw a single post in this thread you made until just now.

2003-2004 was a super small world.

If you were there, you would know this.

So tell me what you were wearing this time last week?

Tell me what you were doing this day last year?

Now tell me the name of residents that owned a storefront in late 04 towards 07?

Can you do any or all of those?

So Marika.....will you be choosing selection a) now?

a) someone using an alt in forum to back up their main av who got fried in a debate

I can modify that to say:

a) someone using an alt in forum to back up their other alt who is backing up their main av who got fried in a debate

I believe we were discussing business ethics?

LuLu cuffs and naked. Just like now.



Preparing a 167m yacht for a wedding to Nina Stepford! YAY!



Seriously, yo?



I just did.

Don't fixate on me Marika. I was only posting because i was asked to. No one posted anything directed at you.

Uh.

Your InWorld profile is COMPLETELY BLANK.

WTF? And over a year old.

Bleh, waste of time talking to an alt.

I never said I didn't have alts, but they are just place sitters now. The groups they were in are closed, and not much worth to me anymore.

As for fried? That is a personal opinion since you never responded to what was actually posted by me. You went off on a tangent to avoid answering much like Phil seems to... does this mean you are an alt of his?

So how is manipulating web searches wrong if you bring folks to your products? But turning around and manipulating SL search okay by using more or less the same tactics?

Don't bring me into it. And don't mistake my dealings with Sling as being representative of my posts in this forum. Sling is fair game for messing about with and insulting on sight (as are one or two others here), simply because he treats others as fair game for insults. He's the one who fails to answer questions and goes of on tangents instead, hoping that the questions will be forgotten.