Gettiing Collared

Some one in SL was telling me to be careful of some people that go around and put collars on others, making them captive slaves. Once collared you cannot get away. Ok, my thought is that come on, this is pretend, they are just role playing and can stop any time they want. I was told though that this is not true. I know this cannot be factual, but I need to hear someone confirm this for me.

It is role play. No one can put a collar around your neck unless you let them.

Oh, and if someone cages you, simply right click and chose sit.

What you're describing is some pretty involved roleplaying that would require the ongoing consent of all involved parties. You can rest easy... no one will be enslaving you unless you enjoy that sort of thing.

What is it with all the reactions to roleplaying today? First the vampire thing, now this. Sounds like someone's enjoying teasing new people.

No one in SL can every make you do anything you don't want to do. Relax.

I once heard that is you look directly into the SL sun that you can go blind in RL is this true? HAHA

it happened to me, thank god for the brail add on in that last update.

Oh not so true...

They can made go in to a shop... selling clothes... and shoes... and then.... you just have to buy... buy... buy... buy... and buy more....
It is an force that cannot be stopped..... *sighs deeply*

(And for anyone taking this serious.... I am kidding. Hmm... Am I? Ohhh.... *runs off to a shop*)



Morwen

Shhhhh! Not so loud. The prisoners in my basement might catch on!

It sounds like someone was trying to warn you about certain practices in some (definately not all) Gorean areas. Yes, capture, slavery & forced collaring is real... BUT...

As others have said, This is Role play. You, as a player, must accept the collar or allow yourself to be captured and enslaved. AND You (as a player) can take the collar off any time you want.

As for not getting away, that depends on how deeply you immerse yourself into the Gorean Role Play. Some of the collars do include tracking scripts so the Master can find their runaway slave (this happened to a friend of mine so i sheltered her on my land where her stalker could not reach her). Others have a summon script. A friend of mine wore one of these by accident (she found a collar that looked nice so she bought it, not knowing about the script). Her neighbor was on the neighbor's land, RP'ing with her own "slave" and "summoned" the slave. My friend was pulled against her will to the neighbor's "throne"... that is, until she removed the collar. She did not want to be summoned to that throne and I had to place a Psitec trap on her to lock her down from being pulled, until we figured out what she was wearing that was animating her. Once removed, no more problem.

The answer to they can stop anytime the want is complex. You can stop by removing the RP items, but if you wear them... stopping isn't so easy. So be sure you really do want to wear these kinds of items.

You also need to consider those you RP with. Some people take their RP (not just Gor's either... this exists in all the various RP groups) way too seriously, and will hunt/stalk someone they consider a runaway slave. So it sounds like the person who told you this wasn't teasing you, but just simply failed to explain all the facets. I don't do the Gor thing, so i've probably missed some facets myself. I invite a Gor reader to clarify anything i missed or mis-explained.

from my experience of collars in gorean areas on sl.... well if you dont wish to be collared, wear the guest/visitor/observer tag and use OOCs (speech within parenthese). By protocol, true goreans respect the observer tag and the OOC conversations.

Now there are some areas which are strictly rp and no observers allowed.. so unless you actually enjoy getting force collared.. id say respect their rules and stay away...


And you can wear the observer tags for as long as you wish to, just as long as you dont keep wearing it and cussing those rp-ing...and no one has the right to "force you" persay into removing the observer tag and getting FC-ed... of course there can be a lot of harassing by the fake gorean masters who usually turn out be lil boys in sl who are in it for a quickie mind fuck (sorry for using an expletive)... and in which case you make the like known to the administration of the sim..

hope the above helps somehow...


[Disclaimer: im not a gorean in sl or irl, i have been a witness within rl gorean communities in the past.

Was an observer for over 2 months at Port Cos in sl and eventually decided to leave due to unavoidable circumstances. during the period of observation, i was haggled, hassled and harassed by "some people" who are no longer at Cos having either "left" or "booted out".

In terms of filing abuse reports on harassment issues from an observer's perspective, Linden Labs are not quite sure how to handle such a situation.. - this is just my personal opinion after having experienced the like.

Most true goreans within SL, respect an Observer tag, OOCs and being polite goes along way with them, most are friendly, informative and helpful]

Please stop by my shop for a box of freebies. **wink, wink**

Ah well,, any of you reading Past posts of mine just Knew i had to comment on this one.

In Game, and in Real Life I'm a Domme (Term for a Female Dominant, for those of you not familiar with the vernacular) I've been in that Lifestyle in RL for Many many years, and of course i am what i am On Line also (Over four years now in Two Game Platforms).
I Currently have Four Girls wearing my Collar. ALL of them do so Volentarily. ALL of them presented themselves to be of their own Volition, and serve me very willingly. Each of them will tell you they serve me because i take VERY good care of them, not just in game, but in RL as well, by guiding, and advising them. I Invest a Lot of time, and emotion into them, and i have their loyalty and affection in return.
That's OUR way.
If you are Curious to ask Me, or my Girls more about the "Why"s of it all, come and Talk to us In Game, and lets spare the Forums another Long and repetative thread on the subject.

Angela Ge covered it Pretty well.
There Are those Sims where this lifestyle is Mimiced in a Role Play Format. Some based upon the Gor Novels by John Norman, Others just your Good old Fashioned Slap and Tickle BD/SM with no Cultural pretensions at all. Some go from Game to RL relationships, Some just exist Only in game. In the RP sims, One CAN be Force Collared, BUT that is Only Possible once you Join the Role Play (Usually by removing the Guest Titler you are presented upon entering the Sim, along with the Rules and Guidelines of the Community. Once you Take off the Titler, you are telling those people on the sim you are conversant with thier culture, and accept the conditions of Play. Once you join in, you are expected to play by the rules. Now, Contrary to Popular Misconceptions, In most Sims, it is Actually against the Law to Force Collar ANYONE without Just Cause, that being a Violation of Law or a direct Invitation to Collaring. The exception to this is the various Wilderness or Forest Sims where tribes of Slaver Women Prowl Hunting the Unwary (Again these would be people WITHOUT the guest tags). I won't say attempts to Force the Unwilling NEVER happen, but every community Does have it's abberations. One simply Cannot Judge a whole community by it's most negative examples (I would sight a few racial or cultural equivilants here but being that specific would needlessly upset people, suffice it to say there IS a Parallel).

Now, CAN a person be held in Bondage Unwillingly? I've been Living the Lifestyle for Years On Line and If it is Possible, i have yet to see the method. All anyone needs do is walk away and THAT i have Witnessed Many times.

Bottom Line, the term Safe/Sane/Consentual still applies even On Line. These relationships simply DO NOT take place without consent of BOTH parties. If it Isn't for you, don't go looking for it. If it holds some small interest, go exploring, but remember the Guest titler, and if what you fine definately Isn't for you, you leave just as Freely as you enter. But stop worrying. We are people just like you, and we don't Bite (Ok,, we do bite a bit, but it's rarely fatal)

Angel.

ROFLMAO

but no,you cant be forced to do anything

They are usualy known as goreans


when entering gorean territory they wil usualy friendship you and send you some collar stuff andf call you b*tch or sl*t

if you wanna quit you would either have to piss off the master really bad or just plain leave and have them insult you 24/7 in a more depressing sad emotional way.... Arent they amusing¿? lets all give it up for Goreans!

rather funny thing to do is play along til the Gor gives you the items then remove friendhsip mute and run off Free collars! yay!

Well, now that is not very Gorean style at all.

Maybe read the books of Gor (John Norman) and then you understand that what I meant.

(And no, I don't wear a collar and don't want one either )

Edit: Here you have a list of the Gor books
* 1 : Tarnsman of Gor (1966) by John Norman
* 2 : Outlaw of Gor (1967) by John Norman
* 3 : Priest Kings of Gor (196 by John Norman
* 4 : Nomads of Gor (1969) by John Norman
* 5 : Assassin of Gor, the (1970) by John Norman
* 6 : Raiders of Gor (1971) by John Norman
* 7 : Captive of Gor (1972) by John Norman
* 8 : Hunters of Gor (1974) by John Norman
* 9 : Marauders of Gor (1975) by John Norman
* 10 : Tribesmen of Gor (1976) by John Norman
* 11 : Slave Girl of Gor (1977) by John Norman
* 12 : Beasts of Gor (197 by John Norman
* 13 : Explorers of Gor (1979) by John Norman
* 14 : Fighting Slave of Gor (1980) by John Norman
* 15 : Rogue of Gor (1981) by John Norman
* 16 : Guardsman of Gor (1981) by John Norman
* 17 : Savages of Gor (1982) by John Norman
* 18 : Blood Brothers of Gor (1982) by John Norman
* 19 : Kajira of Gor (1983) by John Norman
* 20 : Players of Gor (1984) by John Norman
* 21 : Mercenaries of Gor (1985) by John Norman
* 22 : Dancer of Gor (1985) by John Norman
* 23 : Renegades of Gor (1986) by John Norman
* 24 : Vagabonds of Gor (1987) by John Norman
* 25 : Magicians of Gor (1987) by John Norman
* 26 : Witness of Gor (2002) by John Norman

Morwen

I would love to know who he's been playing with. In two years i've been in some of the Best, and some of the Worst Gorean Sims and Never have i seen the behavior he describes. It is not my Practice to Call people Liars, so i simply assume that he has been Misled by people who know Nothing of Gor, and it's Practices. IF he has indeed encountered this sort of behavior, i would expect just his sort of reaction. My slaves would all react the same way, as would i.

Angel.

about all I've ever had as far as collar problems go is the fact that for some odd reason, people like offering me collars. Heck, I'm a furry and I couldn't go anywere near a Gorean sim in my normal av, yet I'll still get at least 1 Gorean a week asking if I'd be interested in wearing one of their collars. They're never pushy or anything, and they always understand when I say I'm far from interested. However, it can just be annoying when you go out in public and have to turn down about 5 offers a week to be someone's pet or slave.

Eric,
I'll concede that i'm not Gorean nor do i have any desire to participate in that lifestyle choice. However 2 of my best friends in SL are, and i've learned much about Gor from them. Both are Free Women, 1 is a healer caste whom i'll call here "A", the other in the Royal court and has had male slaves of her own, and i'll call her "M".

Only "M" has had anything close to what you described. And then it was an isolated incident. And while i don't know all the details of what happened between her and her ex-partner, his actions were enough that the governor has issued an arrest warrant for him, and warriors from several cities are now hunting for him.

What you describe can happen in any SL relationship... a partnership gone bad, a friendship gone bad, a business relationship gone bad. If you (or someone you know) actually experienced something like that, Eric, then what you experienced is the exception and not the rule.

Just be sure you use your new zikzak brand neurostim bracelet as often as you can!

IT PUTS THE LOTION IN THE BASKET!!!!








(Sorry, Chip ... that was bad, but I couldn't resist. )

Don't apologize. I was very close to making exactly the same joke, hehe.

*goes to get hose*

As you have no doubt Noted, Most Goreans have an aversion to Non Human appearing Avatars (They even objected to my eyes being red) So,, those approaching you are Not Gorean, despite what they call themselves. The Only non Human Intelligent life forms on Gor are the Priest Kings, so Goreans don't want elves or Furries around, it spoils the Abmiance in their opinion (I never felt that way Myself, But Then, I'm not as much a Role Player as most).

Angel.

*sighs* A few jerks who try to collar anyone who can't climb up a tree fast enough manage to show not only Gor in a bad light, but the whole BDSM scene. And suddenly a practice like humiliation becomes another example for their bad behaviour.

We all know that it's absolutely wrong and disrespectful to call someone a bitch or a slut, right? No. Wrong. Many submissives are into humiliation, deeply need to be humiliated. A loving and caring partner will always try to fulfill the needs and desires of their lover. If those needs include being humiliated or punished, it's what one needs to do in order to satisfy them. It's an act of love like a hug or a kiss. By being gentle and tender all the time you wouldn't give a submissive what she really desires - you'd show her that you don't respect her enough to act disrespectful. That's more or less what BDSM is about, that and finding a way to act out both partner's fantasies in a safe, sane and consentual way.

What a true Dom or Domme of course never does is to force a certain playstyle onto someone who is absolutely against it, or someone who doesn't even have a submissive kink. A good dominant will only act in ways that fit a submissive's needs. Trying to forcefully convert a vanilla person into a lifestyler is madness. But it doesn't make BDSM games practiced by them automatically bad and despiceable.

That's the reason why I object a little to Gor; one never knows if someone is into it just because he liked those fantasy books. In other words: one never knows if a gorean Dominant knows anything at all about BDSM. While it is totally ok to play any fantasy scenario within an online world, it's different and can be quite harmful as soon as sex and deeper emotions are part of the game. One can't just humiliate and punish a person because "it's what a gorean master does", without ever bothering if that person is into such a treatment, or has completely different kinks, or is submissive at all. And a D/s relationship can't be lived by a book or a fixed "one size fits all" ruleset.

Oh boy, thanks be for a voice of a tiny bit of reason, Ishtara!

Let's get some (relevant) perspective here. The (basically) US online BDSM world is a very small part of the worldwide sexual subculture. What's more, you had to be eceedingly determined to want to play that way (plain text only, explaining what you were doing, no body language... ) - as an interest group it attracted a whole lot of exceedingly bureaucratic - possibly even obsessive - types.

What I find, wandering about SL, is a much less "controlled" environment. The difficulty of a) finding a BDSM IRC channel and then b) figuring out what the hell they were on about, was an intelligence test - only people with a major determination to be perving online made it to that exalted state. I might have uncomplimentary things to say about the stringency of that filtering process, but this isn't the place - the point is, SL is a FAR wider, easier, more varied and more widely advertised medium.

Personally, i think there is already (from what I have seen) a strong need for a "role-play agony aunt" figure for people to go to if they think they have been pulled into something they didn't understand. However, based on what I saw on AOL a few times, and in other forums outside the Uses Capital Letters To Say Things online BDSM world, I wouldn't bloody volunteer for the job!