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Cristiano Midnight
Evil Snapshot Baron
Join date: 17 May 2003
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06-01-2006 18:17
A Starax wand is a million dollars? Seriously? coco Um, that is one billion, not one million, and it depends whether or not you have the coupon. PS - I believe the wand is currently around $16,000L - which is actually a bargain for all it contains and how much fun it is. _____________________
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Siggy Romulus
DILLIGAF
Join date: 22 Sep 2003
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06-01-2006 18:20
Get the beer and popcorn - I'm comin along for the ride!
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Ulrika Zugzwang
Magnanimous in Victory
Join date: 10 Jun 2004
Posts: 6,382
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06-01-2006 18:22
So well, are these decisions made within granted limits..? o.O Their action was a sudden and illegal seizure of power from a government -- a coup. A small cabal of like-thinking individuals, assembled ad hoc from various branches, exercised power collectively outside of their granted limits. ~Ulrika~ _____________________
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Gwyneth Llewelyn
Winking Loudmouth
Join date: 31 Jul 2004
Posts: 1,336
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06-01-2006 18:31
As far as I've been able to tell, the government of Neualtenburg still exists, it's just that Ulrika's not running it anymore. Indeed. Which makes certain people itchy  _____________________
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Cocoanut Cookie
Registered User
Join date: 26 Jan 2006
Posts: 1,741
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06-01-2006 18:32
Um, that is one billion, not one million, and it depends whether or not you have the coupon. PS - I believe the wand is currently around $16,000L - which is actually a bargain for all it contains and how much fun it is. Thanks, Cristiano! Sounds like they are great fun. coco _____________________
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vivi Odets
Flibbertigibbet
Join date: 4 Sep 2005
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06-01-2006 18:36
Their actions are absolutely outside the granted limits. In fact there are members of the elected representative body who weren't even aware of this action until they received an email from me. There were no hearings. There were no laws passed. There was no public involvement. Their action was a sudden and illegal seizure of power from a government -- a coup. A small cabal of like-thinking individuals, assembled ad hoc from various branches, exercised power collectively outside of their granted limits. ~Ulrika~ Perhaps you should request UN peacekeeping troops |
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Aliasi Stonebender
Return of Catbread
Join date: 30 Jan 2005
Posts: 1,858
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06-01-2006 18:43
Indeed. Which makes certain people itchy Hm. and considering there's 31 or so citizens of the sim, and 15 (not counting the admin account) currently registered on new forums, I'm trying to figure out how something that involves at least half the people involved could be considered some kind of furtive, secretive action. More than half, when I consider some of those people just recently joined. _____________________
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Jamie Bergman
SL's Largest Distributor
Join date: 17 Feb 2005
Posts: 1,752
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06-01-2006 18:46
I was asked as a courtesy not to post on the N'burg drama unless their forum was no longer accessible to me. That time has come. This morning I received an email stating that the city is terminating our IP negotiations. Simultaneously, every thread in the N'burg forum was locked. It appears that a few members acting outside of the N'burg governmental system have chosen to take over the government, break off negotiations, and lock every single thread in the N'burg forum. This small group is currently deleting all threads and posts, even those by other citizens such as Kendra Bancroft, a city official and forum founder and moderator. The goal appears to be to lock down the old forum and transition to a new forum, to selectively control who has the ability to see content and who can participate in discussions. This study on virtual-world democracy has evolved into a study on virtual-world fascism and real-world IP theft. Enjoy. ~Ulrika~ This is precisely why Socialism/Communism will never work. If N'burg had Capitalist foundations, this could not have happened. Still, I am sorry to hear that the nation was seized by a fascist oligarchy. |
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Siggy Romulus
DILLIGAF
Join date: 22 Sep 2003
Posts: 5,711
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06-01-2006 18:46
One more and you gots yourselves a 'mandate'
teehee Then again a 'mandate' isn't so easy to find - just IM Juro and buy a box a chocolates. _____________________
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Dnate Mars
Lost
Join date: 27 Jan 2004
Posts: 1,309
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06-01-2006 18:46
Ulrika, I hate to point this out, but the discussions that Neualtenburg and you where having where a private discussion. According to the rules of the SL forums private discussions are not to be brought into the public arena. I would however like to continue this in the neualtenburg forums at http://forums.neualtenburg.info/index.php
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Jamie Bergman
SL's Largest Distributor
Join date: 17 Feb 2005
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06-01-2006 18:49
I don't know enough about the parties involved to have any opinion personally. I will say that I've personally witnessed the phenomenon of the scum in a particular SL community rising to the top and taking over. I'll be polite and not name it, but I was once part of it. Alex, look around you. This is happening in the RW too. Just hopefully in the real world you get your picket fence and SUV. |
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Jamie Bergman
SL's Largest Distributor
Join date: 17 Feb 2005
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06-01-2006 18:55
You need to assemble a few ingredients: 2) Starax wand. Only 1,000,000,000L (about $1.35 at the current rate).  Funniest comment Cristiano has EVER made! Kudos! |
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Jamie Bergman
SL's Largest Distributor
Join date: 17 Feb 2005
Posts: 1,752
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06-01-2006 18:57
for all experiements in democracy keep this in mind: Hitler was elected. Damn good point. |
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Torley Linden
Enlightenment!
Join date: 15 Sep 2004
Posts: 16,530
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06-01-2006 19:55
Moved to Bulletin Board.
Please don't stray into personal disputes but keep the topic about general Coup d'Etats as they relate to SL or whatnot... or this thread will be closed as being inappropriate for the forums per the forum Guidelines. _____________________
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Ulrika Zugzwang
Magnanimous in Victory
Join date: 10 Jun 2004
Posts: 6,382
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06-01-2006 20:29
Please don't stray into personal disputes but keep the topic about general Coup d'Etats as they relate to SL or whatnot... or this thread will be closed as being inappropriate for the forums per the forum Guidelines. I know you've been contacted about this personally by email and in accordance with Linden policy, it is the founder of an in-world group or forum that has the ultimate authority in the event of a conflict. This is similar to past group conflicts, where members would issue endless recall elections with the goal of removing the group founder. This conflict should be resolved in a consistent manner. I agree that we should keep interpersonal drama out of the forums, however when the appropriate place to discuss the issue has been shutdown and the issue is the shutdown itself, shouldn't this catch-22 warrant something more than a canned response from the responsible Linden? ~Ulrika~ _____________________
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GrayFriar Mendicant
Committed-or about to be
Join date: 7 Dec 2004
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06-01-2006 20:37
I don't know if a standard warning is appropriate here, when ... interpersonal drama ..... |
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Kendra Bancroft
Rhine Maiden
Join date: 17 Jun 2004
Posts: 5,813
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06-01-2006 20:40
I'd have to agree. Until the moderators who no longer should be moderators leave the "Projekt" forum --or cease hard deleting my posts as soon as I put them up, there is very little recourse for discussion
I regret that it has come to this, but they are actively deleting posts and locking threads when legally (by Neualtenburg Law anyways) they are violating the very same issues they ironically banned Ulrika for. (ie acting as moderators on a forum they relinquished authority over) This needs to be attended to, so that "Projekt" discussions can return to normal. _____________________
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Jonas Pierterson
Dark Harlequin
Join date: 27 Dec 2005
Posts: 3,660
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06-01-2006 21:43
A Coup d'État presumes that a group of people overthrows a government through unconstitutional means by a part of the state establishment that mostly replaces just the top power figures (quoting from the Wikipedia). When it's just the government making decisions (under the limitations and controls of a constitution), it hardly qualifies as a "coup d'état". An analogy would be claiming that George Bush staged a coup d'état to seize power in the United States. Actually, he just was elected — and making decisions is what an elected official of the government is supposed to do. Not the first time - but thats another story. |
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Torley Linden
Enlightenment!
Join date: 15 Sep 2004
Posts: 16,530
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06-01-2006 22:52
I've got the email, and will talk about it with Jeska.
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Phedre Aquitaine
I am the zombie queen
Join date: 26 Jan 2006
Posts: 1,157
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06-01-2006 23:28
It made *me* listen to Beethoven while doing that! Can /you/ listen to "Singing In The Rain" anymore without cringing? I sure can't. _____________________
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Puck Goodliffe
Your humble Foole
Join date: 22 Dec 2005
Posts: 200
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06-01-2006 23:52
This is precisely why Socialism/Communism will never work. If N'burg had Capitalist foundations, this could not have happened. Still, I am sorry to hear that the nation was seized by a fascist oligarchy. You're very right. Because some people on the Internet decided to take over a virtual nation, it proves that Socialism cannot work. By that logic, Counter-Strike proves that the armed forces can never work, since the people in the game shoot each other and call each other "n00bs." Just like the real armed services! |
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Phedre Aquitaine
I am the zombie queen
Join date: 26 Jan 2006
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06-02-2006 00:01
This is precisely why Socialism/Communism will never work. If N'burg had Capitalist foundations, this could not have happened. Still, I am sorry to hear that the nation was seized by a fascist oligarchy. You know, as fascinating as I'm sure your reasoning is behind defining N'burg as somehow socialist/communist in nature, I'm not sure I could survive the hysterical laughter. Again, I daresay you wouldn't know a socialist or a communist if one punched you in the nose, and I am far too diplomatic to suggest I assist you with this failing. _____________________
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Chance Abattoir
Future Rockin' Resmod
Join date: 3 Apr 2004
Posts: 3,898
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06-02-2006 00:14
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Ulrika Zugzwang
Magnanimous in Victory
Join date: 10 Jun 2004
Posts: 6,382
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06-02-2006 00:39
I've got the email, and will talk about it with Jeska. ~Ulrika~ _____________________
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Nolan Nash
Frischer Frosch
Join date: 15 May 2003
Posts: 7,141
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06-02-2006 01:17
Jamie is an actor. The best remedy is to shut them out..
As far as the fate of Nberg goes - you see revealed the reason I fought Ulrika's pre N'berg SL wide player government. You think that a few dozen people, including those (hint: NOT Kendra or Ulrika), who make excruciatingly long forum posts or ten page long blog comments, apparently because they think every thought that enters their myopic brains are oh-so-poignant, couldn't get a "democracy" to work right? Just try it on an SL wide scale... or not... please... STFU or grab a rake, there's a lot of mulch that needs moving... _____________________
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