Petition to stop the economic changes

Thank you Lecktor

Alexa

Damn Straight.. The World Doesn't Spin Around Clubs..

Arti:


Your too smart for these people to understand this simple logic. If they can't see the word "Free", its beyond their abilities to understand. heheheeh Most of them are artistic folks who've never seen money in their life, let alone tried to manage it.. LOL

Well hopefully the lindens will take all the money that theyre saving and seriously upgrade the game... the right way....

OK great thankyou SL.
by all means stop the allowances but take this into concideration....
some of us dont sell any of our designs and therefore rely on the weekly stipend to have the chance to pay for the upload of new textures so we too can build our own buildings/cars/ whatever.
If we do not have this allowance we wont be able to upload..... not only that but we wont be able to buy anybody elses items..... no sales no builds = no builds one pretty boring comuntiy = one increasingly emptying online community.

??? Like it costs money for Linden Labs to generate L$

This isn't about saving money, it's about stabilizing the economy.

*sigh* time to withdraw from the forums again. I fail to understand far too many people's perceptions of something positive and twisting it into LL is doing this to line their pockets.

events still exist no one said you can't have any kind of event you want...the lindens just won't be funding them.


There are many places in SL that people go and enjoy...do a search . There are well over 10000 of us so believe me the club scene isn't capturing all the people .

how have they upgraded the game the wrong way? Don't point to other online games bev=cause this is very different than all of them.

yea I believe there wa some post a while back that said something like there is 1 club for every 165 citizens or something like that LOL Who knows!

so that's like over 100 clubs woohoo!!!


As for updates... be GLAD that SL isn't like any other "game" or online thingamabob... Sony Online for example has AWFUL support and patching!

I DO search. There are exactly THREE things I do in SL: socialize, explore and make art (which I put together using screenshots collected while exploring odd locales). All too frequently I meet people who've been in the game perhaps 10 times as long and know perhaps half of what I know about what and who is out there. I'm not saying that to be boastful (which is silly) but simply to respond to the suggestion that I lack credibility and understanding because I've been around for a relatively brief amount of time. I couldn't craft a pea-shooter if my life depended on it -- I know almost nothing at all about building and probably never will know -- but the social scene is something I know pretty well, thanks.

Then on the other hand, there are people who've been in the game for a long time, yet rarely or never even leave their own property. Would they be more qualified to speak about the SL community as it is today simply because their accounts are dated earlier?

But, you know, maybe I'm completely wrong. So I'll ask you again: where else are all of the people? I'd actually love to know, if only to branch out a little in where I meet people!

Does anyone realize this is a game!

Firstly there are the organized builds such as Olde London , SIm Horror, and oz just to name a few that by themselves pulled in more people than all the clubs while they were open. Then there are the other linden sponsored events that have done exactly the same...Burning Life, and the Winter Festival. Prehistoric festival was another. These are happenings with a limited time span.

There are numerous groups in SL that hold events and meetings all the time such as the Thinkers group.

There is Ice skating , Rollerskating, Skydiving, Scuba Diving, Arial Combat and a host of other activities that have serious followings. There are real life artists in world who have gallery openings and shows.

Clubs do have traffic but once everything else is added in the clubs arent pulling the lions share.

I've been here for ten months and I too explore constantly. I go to certain clubs, and I see where the people are.

It might burst your bubble to know that more people spend time shopping in malls than they do at clubs.

Lastly the one thing I doubt you are aware of ....the average user in Second life is between the age of 27-40 with a healthy amount of people 18 -26 and 41 and up.


Edited to add.....any night of the week you will find almost as many people at the welcome area as in any club.

oh there are actually quite a few lifestyle groups that hold events that would put most clubs to shame .

It's a game to me, but it's more than that too. There are certainly some very grand social experiments being orchestrated here, and I mean this in the best of ways.

I'm aware there are other groups. I'm aware they EXIST. And maybe at one time, there were events (although these, too, benefitted from funding, so your point is moot regardless because it only supports what I'M saying) that pulled in more than clubs, but the FACT remains -- and you can verify this with a quick search in-game -- that clubs consistently pull in more people by far than anything else. I never said other things don't exist; what I said is they constitute the minority. They're not what holds SL's current social community together in the way that clubs do.

What's more, all too many of those shoppers are club-goers and club employees (ESPECIALLY dancers!), who constantly need new clothes and better skins because they're out there in part to see and be seen. And for that matter, even people who sell weapons and shields benefit, since griefers necessitate security in some of the more popular places (like Gama). By their very nature -- by the very fact of what they encourage people to do -- clubs contribute far more to the economy than I think you realize.

The age groups you listed actually DON'T surprise me because they're consistent with what I've found myself. Social, remember? I almost can't get on anymore without ending up with like 10 different IM windows open at once.

Finally, I've visited the welcome area quite a number of times, and the total number of people I normally see there is about equivalent to a typical Gama club number. So the welcome area contains about as many people at one time as ONE club (NOTE: there are far more clubs than just one ), and many of those are new people or people who are there to help new people. Not to sound mean, but most of the SL population isn't logging on to help and rub elbows with newbies 24/7.

Besides, where would you have people go when the clubs start closing because they lack the options for becoming self-sustaining that real-life clubs possess? Shall we all crowd into the welcome area so that newbies can log into a one-frame-per-year environment for their first (and last) taste of SL?

You're grabbing at straws here, and I think even YOU realize on some level that you don't really have any ground to stand on. I'm not trying to be mean about this, but dear God ... at least be honest with yourself, okay?

Not sure it's been mentoned in General yet, but I'm interviewing Philip Linden later this week about these changes, and I encourage residents to post their suggested questions in this NWN topic:

/18/89/32720/1.html#post341196

HAHA...what Dev said. I am so sickened by all the clubs in SL. I am with Nephi on this one. I am also very entertained by the mass freak out. I guess IMO either you can afford to play SL or you can't. Be creative and find your talents and do something in SL if money is that important to you.

* awaits to probably be flamed*

Hell yeah....feck clubs!!!

All the Clubs can go down the drain for all I care.... They are nothing more than Resource Hogs...

Wrong not all these things had linden support...and when you see what Bedazzle has done with their new creation you will shit yourself literally. Again clubs do not draw the majority of people....and please don't tell me your going by the top twenty places that constitutes dwell not people.


not everyone in the community that shops is a clubgoer and you can't substantiate any of these claims.



yes there is the social aspect...it isn't the be and end all. You seem to think everyone is here just to talk and they aren't. Yes we all talk to people but some people play the game completely social and others don't. It may be fun to some to do nothing but club hop and be social in that way....most people are social in other ways...and some people not at all.



as most of the population isn't logging on to play in clubs. On any given night I can show you many more empty clubs than full ones.



The good clubs never depended on linden support....If the club is good it will survive if not it won't like any other business in SL.
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LOL dude I've seen the best...and I mean the best clubs come and go here...not the shitholes out there now. I have massive ground to stand on and many months to back what I say. You have nothing but conjecture backed up by what?

You're grabbing at straws here, and I think even YOU realize on some level that you don't really have any ground to stand on. I'm not trying to be mean about this, but dear God ... at least be honest with yourself, okay?[/QUOTE]

LOL dude I've seen the best...and I mean the best clubs come and go here...not the shitholes out there now. I have massive ground to stand on and many months to back what I say. You have nothing but conjecture backed up by what?[/QUOTE]

I SO agree with you Talen. *besos*

Can't believe you didn't mention Neualtenburg!!

Hiro, are you finally learning? This isn't the metaverse and never will be.

These changes don't effect the money LL takes in at all. They only effect the in-world economy. How many times we gotta say this?

Oh, I just wanna scream. They are NOT stopping allowances. They are reducing bonuses. Don't they teach folks in junior high how to read anymore?

Of course this isn't the metaverse, Dork. But it could very well be the single celled organism that evolves into it. You have no imagination. Bah, what am I saying. Gotta have a brain to have an imagination.