Petition to stop the economic changes

yep yep!!! That too

These changes remind me so much of THERE.com in May of 2004 it scares me. A considerable number of THERE residents not only lost ways of making a small income in game but lost faith in the company and moved over to SL. Lindens, please rethink the changes to the rating system and Event hosting/prize money. I would hate to see another game/world go down.

Let us analyze this so called evidence.


No its more like charging for a connection to something, and then the USERS charge for there content.
LL isnt charging us a dime for L$.


again just restating what you already did.
Land barrons got affected negitavly, Very negitvly. While everyone else was affected posativly. At least in there opinions. so everyone was affected.

Same goes for this situation, Everyone is being affected, the majoraty of people are hastly looking at the glass half full.


The "point" was to point out that ,

was kinda pointless.


If you havnt noticed there already is a way for people to exploit the rating system.
Except it only currently costs L$1.
Now there will be less exploiting of it.
And really lets be honist who exploits the rating system more. Peope who are so called rich, or people who stand around and just rate on a whim.
bla bla rated you positvly. Oh really? where are you bla bla, so i can flalsafy your rating also without even knowing you.



Somehow I doubt that casual players will go away.
I think if any accounts are discontinued it will be the alts people have to peropusly abuse the rating system.
And again, if you want money in any environment, you can not expect people to just give it to you for nothing.



Also I do not think this discussion is in any way related to use of proper grammer or spelling.
This makes me think that you are only out to argue, and not to solve the issue. "if there really is one".

So I still fail to see why this is "breaking things worse".

Sure but LL can provide a default number of "ride tickets" per week for you to enjoy as a player


Okay, true. I'm sorry, i wasn't clear. The point is that only very few customers were affected very negatively, and these people made mad money anyway so it's not like they took too much of a hit, but that's another thread for another time


True. But my major point is that we only have TWO DAYS to look at the glass. LL has promised us that we'd have plenty of time to look at patches and test them. We're getting no chance to really measure the water in the glass and let LL know if we need more water.

Sure, but:
a. if you're gonna fix it, fix it.
b. the exploiting currently is at least equal opportunity to players. The way it will be will help broaden the money gap.



Even though plenty of people have already posted their displeasure, desire to tier down, etc?

It's not for nothing. You pay LL a monthly fee for L$ stipend.

True, it's just a personal gripe. You also sound smarter if you write better.

Also I think its a double wammy on ratings, not only do they slice 50 percent off of the ratings element of the stipend, they also make it really expensive to rate anyone. So few will rate and in effect we will get no rating portion of the stipend at all.

Alexa

Ok
I'm realy new to this game (about a month) and i was really reluctant to go premium cuz all this "Lindin Dollar" blah blah, so i did some homework on it. Well i was talked into it by my girl and we both got premium accounts cuz it was better than all the other "Games" were offering. As a newbie and being a technical person i found it quite intresting to play around with land, but got frustrated with lack of $L funds, not to mention how fast i used up prims on a single 512 lot. Therfor im looking at what i have in my pocket and then what i have to show for what i've spent and thinking to myself, lol, i feel like my poor self at home struggling, but im in a game! What fun is that? lol. Now im hearing all these new so called "Economical" changes, im starting to kick myself in the ass for paying "Monthly" now for FUN! LOL. Give me a break for crying out loud.
I am now stuck on a yearly note with you and now your gunna make it even harder to enjoy the game. Ummm, hello? I'll cancel my CCs and go back to simple mIRC chat for dogs sake! I think the management better start thinking about "User Enjoyment" rather than "Corprate Profits". And dont give me the whining bandwidth usage and server crapage. you should have thought of all this crap before you started this busness and made sure that all this wasnt going to effect the overall enjoyment of your so called "Your World. Your Imagination" program. Believe me if this was my world built on my imagination, it wouldnt be hindered by the Lindin Dollars and Object usage for a "Real Dollar" paid monthly from my "Real Life".
Please, i do not want to leave another chat due to greed. I dont have the time or the patients for all this blah blah. I'll just leave.
On the other hand... If you must make a change of this magnitude, have a soft hand and make it a less gradual hill to desnd to, dont push us off the damn cliff ffs! If these changes are made as immediately as anounced, all my plans i have made to have a "Better Second Life" will be whiped away. Then it wont be worth the effort to tell all the people that i communicate with on the internet to come join Second Life.
Signed.

This petition is hilarious.

You don't petition an economy. You don't say 'inflation, please read my petition and stop inflating.'

My god, is everyone insane?

what about..
And really lets be honist who exploits the rating system more. Peope who are so called rich, or people who stand around and just rate on a whim.


Yes even though people are "saying things".

a. People voiced synonymous things in the "Land Rush of 04."
b. I think a few dozen of clubs would be better than, 2k revolting lag, light, and particle infested builds.
c. Well looks like we will be left with a higher frequancy of artistic/clever/productive, work. Rather than repedative things done just to grab some L$ from a artificial L$ endowment system.



I still fail to understand how exactly you are coming to this conclusion.
It will cost just as much for me to rate as it does you.

Let us say that you have L$3,000,000 and that I have L$300.

Your hypothesized scenario, is you could rate me and you would not mind spending the L$,
while I wouldnt be so quick to spend money unless I truly feel that you are deserving of it.
You would be able to easly neg rate me, while I would not be able to do so to you.

Great so what. If the rating system is flawd, then the points dont matter anyway regardless of cost.
But this will make ratings mean something on the majoraty of SL
And for the richies....
All you hafto say is " I got hit by (Land Barron name here)".
And suddenly those points are actually considerd posative, among everyone else.



Agreed somewhat. But even though I despise the thought of people being "players" and this is a "game". It is what you make it, so if in your mind it is a game that to you thats what it is.
Although you should Equaly understand that to others It may mean more, and respect that.


All agruments aside the ONE thing I do agree with you on is ll should be more transparent with the things there doing.
Whoah deja vu! I swear i heard that somewhere before.

Perhaps this should be "Petition to make ll hold true to there word."
And if that were the main topic, I would sign.
But unfortunatly I agree more with this choice they have made, then I disagree.

Could someone petition the US Treasury while we're at it, I really would like a prosperous economy again in both SL and RL.
Old system benefited only those who gamed the rating system, because I want to hang with friends rather than use a dance ball for hours on end, I loose out on the old system.
Those who are whining likely gamed the old system anyway.

Ice Brodie

1. People who disagree with this action are not 'whining'.

2. I only go to one small club and we have all rated each other over the time I've been going there. So there goes your ridiculous theory.

Alexa

Your right...so we should do away with ratings and stipends entirely


You don't need money to enjoy SL and the Lindens should get rig=d of the welfare system completely!

I'll add my name to the petition. I don't see it as welfare... ratings don't mean a lot, it's true, but the ratings bonus is important to those of us who don't sell anything. If it gets cut 50%, then we'll have to save much longer to buy anything big like land, and the average player who isn't wealthy won't be able to afford to rate anyone at all.

I really don't see what was wrong with the system as it was. I didn't rate people a lot, but I did return positive ratings when I got them, out of courtesy, and I took pride in the fact that I had no negs. I haven't been able to sell anything yet, because of a technical issue that can't get fixed, so I looked forward to that extra bonus each week.

If they were going to overhaul the system, it would have been nice if they could have done it in a *useful* way, like requiring a reason for a neg rate and making the list of reasons readable by others, and by eliminating the building rating, so that you'd have to click on an object the person made to get that one.

I say we petition the internet to stop lag.

CMON, IT COULD WORK!!!!! LISTEN TOOOO MEEEEEEE..

And if you laughed at that, you understand how silly *this* petition is.

If you commence with this petition know now that I will petition your petition with my own petition petitioning the petition to which you speak .


Down with petitions and welfare.....LET THEM EAT CAKE

I second this motion.. Start the 2nd Petetion against the 1st petition..
Bunch of cry babies.. Let them eat cake.

NewsFlash....

A Protester who signed the petition about trying to undo the Smart Policy Decision that LL made about the economic health of SL was arrested. This is the typical protester who signs this petition. Angry that the leftist agenda is being ignored, this person turned to weed and and found the fate they all deserve.

[Rant Removed]

Consider the petition signed!

As I read I am not sure now that what I was told was correct. Are they cutting the weekly stipend in half? Or just the RATING portion of it?

If it is the rating part, then I can't complain as I thought it was kinda an unfair system anyway. Paying 25l to rate someone is a bit much! lol But, I am will to see how it goes.

What? They didn't say they were going to make Ratings cost $25L did they?

...sky falling, film at 11.

Taxes were going to kill SL, then the removal of taxes was going to kill it. Plus ca change, plus c'est la meme chose.

Those who weren't around for history are doomed to panic when it happens again

Thats your typical protester for you.. Runs around screaming fire when somebody lights a cigarette.

Damn Hippies... Let them eat cake..

Near sighted and off base huh?



I am not here to build, I am here for Social interaction with what time I do have mainly.

Sorry, you are wrong. Here is what really happened:

When you signed up for SL you received 500 L$ per week base stipend. At that time this was worth >2.5 US$. Now that value dropped to less than 1.95 US$. With ongoing inflation it would drop more and prices in SL would rise.

To protect the value and purchasing power of your base stipend, Linden Lab decided to decrease stipend bonuses (what people get for ratings) and introduce additional money sinks. As far as I understand Philip's posting you will still receive your 500 L$ base stipend. But what changed now is that your base stipend's purchasing power is not going to drop further by inflation.

What part of "petitioning Linden Lab" didn't you get?

To the people against halting the changes:

Tell me why we have to have them in 48 hours? Why, after the mindnumbing series of broken things and repair patching of 1.5, and the promises by Linden Lab to give us more time on patches, do we have 2 days to discuss a patch that includes a MAJOR change to the SL economy?

What is so wrong with asking Linden Lab to halt, discuss changes with us, and give it more than 2 days? That's what the petition is saying.

Even if these changes are the right thing to do, there is no reason it should be dumped on us and we given a paltry 48 hours to look it over.

Nothing wrong with asking for time. The thing is... they don't care.
I will not sign it because it won't change LL's decision and because the economy needed a fix.

Ahh to whom it may concern no more trivia hosting from me.