Petition to stop the economic changes

Shush you!

Ever heard the story about the lil girl that cried wolf?

what is this crap...

i am agains

Well if its a GAME then whats the difference?


Well perhaps people will stop living off wellfare and actually do somehing usefull.

Also the land barrons got the same FK in the @ss not to long ago.

And the value of L$ is still half of what it should be.

You all whined cause land was to much, youve got your way at the expense of someone elses happyness.
Now its the other way around.

And serously all this is going to do Is make ratings MEAN what there supposed to.
From now on I wont rate someone just cause they rated me.
It will be,, hey cool you did something deserving of it so here ya go.

Everyone was always in the mindset, well they keep paying me so I guess I'm allowed to do it.
Well guess what, thats the Mindset of a child. SL is for over the age of 18.
And the events junk,, Well tadaa thats what happens when people abuse it regularly.

This thread isn't about personal issues, most of the other ninety thousand threads you've done this on weren't either. Maybe I'm reading it wrong and you were just making a light-hearted joke, but that sounded really negative, picking on someone for not quitting. I don't care if you think it was a plea for attention or not, this still strikes me as really negative.

Gawd!! Didn't I just read this crap in another thread!

/me votes for phil

I think these changes are for the good.

/sign

How about we signficantly upgrade the game first, then worry about the economy second.

So true MrsJ - total rubbish.

Alexa

Pete. I'm voting for Philip as well. I'm giving him what I consider the best advice.


Why should you have to be forced to do something useful in SL? People have every right to come and relax and not build / run anything. What's wrong with having a minor stipend?

We're talking the difference between a few people, and a majority of SL users. BIG difference.


Says you. Philip himself said the L$'s ideal price is desired by LL to be $4/1kL.


Erm, regardless of how the changes might affect the economy, the problem is that we haven't had time to discuss and test them as a community.


Except for the people with money, who will rate and get their friends all rated, and still rate grief, because 25L isn't much to richer players. So, no.


What mindset are you talking about? You're not making much sense here.


What? You break it worse than it was without discussing it with the community first?

Who says your forced to do ANYTHING in SL?
U can do whatever you want.
If you want money go buy it, if you dont want to build or anything.
LL charges for a connection to the service, In no way does that mean they hafto give you L$.


Oh ok so person A is somehow better than person B.
Well keep in mind the majoraty you speak of is the $9.95 users.


Philip also says He wants to see what sl becomes. So if that means someday L$1 = US$1 then why not?



Ok and when the communaty agrees theres someone doing this. The communaty can take care of it.



The well im geting away with false rating for stipnd so hey ill do it.
RATING is not Raising your allowance. There should be no allowance.
Rating should be what the name says. A measurement of someone.


IYO there breaking it worse. So say IMO there breaking it worse.
IMO there fixing it perfectly.

That's like charging admission to an amusement park and then charging again for each ride.


No, what I mean is that the economy change that screwed land barons affected very few customers, while this change will effect a great deal of them.


By your same logic, if someday L$1000000000 = $0.01US, then why not?
So your argument here is sort of pointless.


So, basically you're saying LL should open up a way for a class of players to exploit the game's rating system, and then expect the community to take care of dispute resolution of the problem it just created?

And by your logic, if the community can take care of that, why can't the community be INVOLVED in the decision and discussion about changes to the economy a little bit more than 2 days earlier than when it is scheduled to happen? That would be the community taking care of the economy.


Well, your whole argument is based on the assumption that there should be no allowance.

If there's no allowance, we totally eliminate Second Life to casual players.

If we exclude casual players, Second Life dies.



They are. They're. Not there. Please, learn your homonyms.

I've shown you evidence why this is breaking things worse. So, it's in my opinion, yes, but it's my opinion that's backed up by solid evidence.

Wow, it's official, people:

Catherine Cotton and Korg both agree with me on this.

C'mon, if that's not hard proof enough, I don't know what is!

I don't blame them for reducing the stiffens for non educational events. It's really easy to power game the event system. If you look at the current event lists. It's a small group of people hosting event after event. Pulling in about 5,000 plus dwell plus rate bonus. I think some events may end up getting double or triple event bonus, because the person hosting the land, and the people hosting the event may be different. People have been complaining about the lack of creativity in the event list. Perhaps this will discourage as much spasm as there has been.

But it would be nice if there was a special bonus the could give to none educational events that benefit sl as a community. Such as new original event ideas.

Personally I like having the lindon dollar low. It means I'm more likely to use services such as gom to buy currency, witch means I'm also more likely to buy good in sl. If a virtual shirt costs me as much as a movie ticket. I think most people will end up getting the movie ticket.

I don't know if any one will agree with me. But my suspicion is the lindon dollar dropped in values, because the number of people manipulating the market for personal gain has decreased. I never felt like the high values benefited sl community. The best solution is to keep adding new users. More user, more good purchased, more good purchased more income for developers.

How dose ll remove L money form SL? ratings and land auctions? if land actions is the mane way, and If the amount of money virtual land at actuation has decreased dramatically. Would it not mean that LL would have less currency to introduce into the economy? Even if land auctions for the most part is a completely subsidized by the user who bid for land with real money?

I'm all for the changes. Sign me up for the anti-petition.

I will jsut endorse the changes by continuing my support of LL and SL through my dedication and involvement. Thats signoff enough. This is spinning way out of control and this petition is nearsighted and completely off base.

Perhaps by utilizing education you will need less L$ due ot the ability to "use" the software and it's simplistic interface and make whatever it is you wish here...that's how everything you Pay for came to be...

I also recall days when i was approached by so many wandering and exploring...seeing new things that now are so often overlooked. Those were also times when i exchanged good s and clothing. Just because you cannot do it doesn't mean those that can won't be generous and assistant. This can bring people together in ways no Moneyball ever will...

So, let me get this straight ... basically:
- you're blindly accepting whatever LL gives you, even though they have admitted to making some mistakes in the past, and even though they continually reiterate their desire for feedback from the community?
- customers expressing their displeasure for a feature of a product is something that is "out of control"?
- thinking about the economic effects and effects on casual players is nearsighted?

I will sign


Linden Labs, please do not listen to the Vocal Minority. The Majority like things as they are.

Nope -- I stay informed and keep near the pulse dialy through forums, fansites, exchanges, auctions, and economic data. I have posted similar suggestions to what is beign done. I support it because it's my choice and informed decision
Nope -- Out of Control is Thread's like the Third Life one and saying that there will be mass exodus, or that this is just like There and the end is near. Not the theory of the thread but some of the content within as well as in other threads.
Nope -- Again i wasn't speaking to you Hiro, and I understand your defense based on being the creator of this thread. It is more for posts withing and at 2am i apologize for not coming across clearly enough in saying that the "THIS" i was referring to is the plethora of threads about "The end is coming etc..."

Fair enough. we're all entitled to our opinions.

Well, then, I suggest you retract your previous post - as you were responding to a quote directly about the petition, and you specially said the petition was off-base.

If you want to say this about particular comments or other posts, please be specific. The way your post was written, it was criticizing the petition, not some of the comments.

I can see it now...today the events list is full of club events, tomorrow it will be filled with classes. Does this solve the problem? NO! Also, I never took any classes, I was fortunate enough to have people teach me how to build cause they were cool like that. I also do the same in return. I was under the impression this was a game not friggin school. Have you been to a class lately? If so how many people were brought together like no Moneyball ever would?

Oh wait...just got a new vision...
Event: Prim 101
Description:
Come learn about all the basics in creating prims. I'll be having the money ball spittin out 20L every 10 min.

What are the easiest ways for a new player to obtain spending money?
- Stipend
- Subsidized games like Bingo
- Entertainment/service industry (dancers, escorts, event hosts, DJs)

Diminishing the money supply in the way proposed directly nails the
first two. Diminishing the money supply to new and low income players
and eliminating event incentives nails the third, and the positive feedback
in the third nails the third further.

This is exactly what happens in real life, the service industry takes it in
the head when discretionary money even quivers, and the service industry
is entry level work for an awful lot of people.

Living through a depression is not fun. Playing in the Great SL Depression
of 2005 is not likely to be much fun either. I am so tired of watching the
consequences of letting Sorcerers Apprentices make command decisions.
Greenspan has damaged our country but this is likely to make Alan look
*competent*.

Event: Learn How to Be a Man!
Description: Come to Club XXX for some hot instructional action as our escorts teach you the ways of love.
Cost: Reasonable entrance fee 1000L / 30 minutes, other rates available!