Petition to stop the economic changes

Signing. The only fix for ratings is that they should be abolished.

How is a Club Owner going to Sponser Events without being Sponsered Talen?

They fund it out of their own pockets.

"I am simply blown away after reading this post in its entirety."
/laughs

who really cares? Who is actually in this world to collect dwell, ratings, and stipends?
I mean COME ON people get real!!!
LOL Is that why we are all really here?

Hiro, my friend, we agree on much.

On this we do not.

I am completely OPPOSED to this petition, and think the changes are LONG overdue. I'd tweak them a bit, as I mentioned in the L$25 ratings thread, but still, a definite step in the right direction and getting rid of SL's welfare class.

-Flip

Welfare Class? Define it please!

Flipper, your a God Sent.. Tell Hiro he's wrong and that restricting the currency float is good for all.

According to Linden labs, yes that is. Making money, grabbing money, spending money, and making Second Life as close to possible to RL should be the goal of every SL resident. If not, then you MUST be doing something wrong.

A lot of people depend on being able to break even on the game. If there is no way to recoup expenses, a lot of people will go to the basic plan to cut costs.

Alby, Restricting the flow is not the problem...this $L 25 to rate is only a slow down of the ratings game is all...I think what <<Hiro>> and I and others are trying to get at is this. The Ratings needs a complete overhaul not a band aid to slow things down.

Yeah..lets see how many Clubs are left.

hahaa we are Capitalist Pigs LOL

Absolutely. People's biggest concern here is that less weekly income will mean that they can buy less -- have less fun. But this isn't actually true, in the long run.

What it really means is that things will cost less and money will be worth more. It *will* balance out. Once prices get adjusted to match everyone's new income, instead of paying L$100 for that new shirt, you might pay L$50 instead, for example. If LL does nothing, then your income will be worth less in the future.

Basically, what it comes down to is this: stipends and prices will both fluctuate to match the value of the L$. THIS IS A GOOD MOVE.

I ran one of hte most successful clubs during the 1.4 breakout and i didn't need support. The events aren't going away people! just the 250L you net after giving away 500 of it. The people who are goign to be affected are the ones gaming the current system, running events multiple times a day and abusing the support to gain personally.

Why can't people hold events for SOCIAL things for free? Why does your event require giving out prizes to keep people there? Perhaps people should rethink how their events can be quality enough that people come just to be there, and not for the latest money giveaway. My own history with events is robust, and I can tell you that it IS possible to run a successful club without paying for attendance.

If Club Owners don't mind paying Tier Fees for that fine. IF they are in the Club Business to make money; can you say "Covercharge?"

I have been using a cover charge for a while. I still have full events. I use it to make myVIPs feel jsut that, special. people are so caught up in the hype here they forget that you can use new ideas, thoughts, and business plans to actually come up with something people will enjoy enough to *GASP* pay for. How many clubs charge a cover IRL? Most i'd assume. Money isn't in the cover either, it's for the drinks, something we dont need here.

So use clubs for what they are worth, a social gathering, and realize that the reason why e very sim has some crackerjack box with spinning lights is due to people not getting creative enough to suplement their stipend with something unique. Why is anyone in SL "entitled" to make money for having something popular? If you are in the club business to make money, I would love to see your books. It really isnt a winning combination for profiteering.

SL Herald just posted an editorial on this. I don't mind saying that it is really Walker Spaight's work, and the he is a former economics reporter covering the fed and all, so it is pretty thoughtful as Herald editorials go.

/bump

LL this is our game, we pay for it, let us do what we want... <signs name>

Spoken like a God....

signs

I'm all for a cooling off period. While I think the forecasted "dire consequences" may be overstated, I do agree that a change of this magnitude warrants debate and evaluation prior to implementation.

Flip,

1. If people pay for the game monthly, how is that welfare? Sounds like what they pay for. Linden Lab is thus, on two days' notice, changing the account contract in a very fundamental way.

2. Why are you opposed to the petition? I'm asking for Linden Lab to give us more time to discuss the changes before they implement it. Past rushed patches have been craziness. Whether or not the changes are due is irrelevant to the fact that this has been rushed.

Hiro -

Are the Ratings Bonuses specified in our Account's Service Contract?? If so, WHERE?

Stipends are staying the same, land fees are staying the same... I don't see how this is a major change to the contract or anything.

These are BONUSES that LL gave out VOLUNTARILY.

I don't mean to be berating, but all of this talk the last day is starting to wear me down a bit.

The definition of "bonus" means that it is above and beyond the ordinary - and DESPITE what people think, they are NOT entitled to it, just 'cuz they have a pulse!

Okay, I promise I'll chill now - no offense intended.

Take care,

--Noel "HB" Wade
(Tread Whiplash)

You have my Hancock.