An Observation and a Suggestion for the Mods

And they will continue to evolve. Though I still don't feel it will be in the way you *specifically* want them.



Who's fist is up your ass? Seriously Coco, I like you. I've gone to bat with a few of my close friends over you. Because I think you are a good person who just got wrapped up in a lot of bullcrap.

But geez louise! The only *possible* things I think you can be refering to these days are when people disagree with you. Disagreeing with someone is not the same as hating them, attacking them, or shoving the proverbial appendage up their apparatus. It is, no matter how unsatisfying, *just* disagreeing.



People should be allowed to speak their thoughts. Aren't you fighting for free speech? Of course, most agree that the person you are refering too went to far. But how the hell do you know what the person you are refering too suffered due to that? And do you know how much that person was in a far worse position than you once upon a time? The way you claim you could be banned any day, and yet you barely do anything to "rock the boat", shows me that you have NO idea the things that have gone down in SL history.



No. That person was excellent at playing around the edges of the TOS while those of us not so witty were baited and responded and had to deal day in and day out with horrid behavior and a sick feeling in our stomachs that this person could possibly influence those who would not recognize the lies and slander. Sorry Coco, but I left SL for 6 months mainly due to the crap I had to face defending Neualtenburg, old time members of SL, as well as other close friends. And my defense was mainly against two people. Your friend being the number one proponent. Of course, he was not the first to be banned from the forums. Not by a long shot. But there are other histories to be learned there.

Anyone who can hurt so many, even those who are strong enough to stand up to it for a time. Anyone who can turn a community known for acceptance and happiness .. into one thought of for greed, jealousy, and secrets.. Anyone who can be told time after time after time that they need to curb their behavior... And they STILL keep at it.. That person doesn't deserve the forums, much less the privilage to be in world.

Everything you say Coco, every idea you have for what should be wrong with these forums, is what MOST were trying to deal with when it came to your very good friend. You refuse to believe that. Fine. Stay blind.

The freedom you preach for. The freedom to be able to speak without being insulted, accused, belittled, dragged down, enraged, and so on.. That freedom, is what we have all been fighting for over the past almost year now. What you have been through was rough, I'll agree, but I"ll be damned if you can say you have been through worse than me, or half a dozen other people. And that is just off the top of my head.



Who claims FIC rights now? Arrogance is not becoming of you Coco. Fight your fight. Free speech and anti-censorship is something I and others very much can stand behind. But stop burning your bridges Coco. You have more comrades than enemies. You are just so blind, insulting, and arrogant that you cannot see how much you push many supporters away.

Why is it that you always hold yourself out as some revered keeper of understanding that no one that came before you has? It's almost cult like. Um, what prevented them from coming here before you and why are they suddenly arriving now that you are here? The arrogance of that statement (a statement Prokofy made many times) never fails to astound me.

I would respect your efforts for "forum dignity" if I have not witnessed how you selectively choose who it applies to. You give some people a free pass, and chastise others. You lift someone up and hold them up as an example of someone wronged in these forums, and never EVER call them on the same issues you are rallying against. You make blustering justifications. So it amounts to "dignity for people who think like me". Ironically, that is what you are rallying against supposedly yet you don't practice it.

You are not the poster child, nor pied piper of forum salvation. You are one voice among all of us who use these forums, one that has an exceptionally high posting count for someone so afraid to post and whose speech has supposedly been squelched. I would rather they closed down the forums altogether than to stifle the speech in it so much that we can't say boo without you being maligned.

I sincerely always want to hug you every time I read your posts - there is a purity about them that is rare in these forums. Don't ever let anyone get you down April, seriously, or tell you that you need to change a thing.

I've been debating whether or not to say thank you in the forums, because I didn't want to be off topic.

I do think I am sometimes to old fashion. I say words like "fudge" and "cheese and crackers" when I get upset. But then I have 12 tattoos and my tongue is pierced, so I guess I'm not too old-fashioned.

To get back on topic, this thread is so amazing, to have so many posts, without being closed. I think we should give credit to Coco for inspiring us. Thank you Coco. And a big thanks to Cristiano for the kind words.

You wish I would not use profanity, April? I didn't use that profanity. I was merely quoting, more or less, what Cienna had in her signature and was all over these forums after every post of hers, before it was removed by the mods. Some of you might have missed that, but I was here for it. It was something about, "She has prokofy's fist jammed so far up her ass to move her mouth." I would never say something that graphic myself. She had to change it to say much the same thing, just in less graphic terms.

She's still here. Slanderous things are still said, every day, by many, belittling, marginalizing, all that - of me and of others. Talk about skirting the TOS. How about having a thread deliberately belittling players, just not literally naming them in the title? And we all know dang well who it's about.

None of this deters me. The only thing that happens is, the longer it goes on, the madder I get.

Now someday, somebody just MIGHT be unable to control themselves and rack up enough warnings to be banned from the forums. I say "might" because apparently a number of people are immune to the TOS.

But no matter what anyone says to me here, or what anyone says to anybody here, that is overkill in terms of punishment.

If someone racks up enough things like that to get banned from the forums, well, ok. But that person has probably has done nothing to anyone in the game. And until they do enough things wrong in the game, every individual deserves to have her game left intact.

You can't be a company promising to the entire world through this and that article or other bit of publicity how you can make real world money with this platform. While at the same time, neglecting to mention that ALL your holdings and investments will be confiscated on the spot should enough people decide they don't like what you say on the forums or how you say it.

This just isn't going to fly. It isn't even going to get out of the hanger. And whoever is the first to get banned, you will not hear the end of it from me. And due to the financial, real world aspects of it, you won't hear the end of it from others, either, on gaming websites, blogs, and in real world press coverage. This is going to be really bad PR for the Lindens, and will open the floodgates to people talking not just about that, but about the bullying nature of the forums themselves, and the preferential and inconsistent application of the TOS therein.

And by the way, I know some are trying to be helpful with advice for me on how win people to my point of view. But I think I'm doing quite well as it is, considering I'm being maligned every day, having my character misinterpreted and smeared, and having my game ruined, to worry just a whole lot about the ideal "right approach" to coming up with solutions to the obvious problems on these boards.

I don't much care about my approach. I figure it's pretty darn good, considering the crap I've taken. And never mind me, what about the others who are being, have been, or will be pilloried? And what about the players who aren't as stout-hearted and refuse to come on the forums at all? I doubt they would find much fault with my "approach." To heck with the approach, let's just get the job DONE.

Will post poll sometime around mid-week. I hope we have discussed this long enough now. Plus I have a guest here for the weekend. I think it has been a good and productive thread, but I've about had my say. (I hope so, anyway.)

coco

Your not a singular voice Coco, things gotta change for the better here.

Cat

So she is the person you want me to AR? I'll read through her posts and see which one I should report, or would you rather tell me the ones. As for her signature, if the mods removed it, then that's good right? But why would you want to keep repeating it if it's so hurtful. And as I really nicely asked, you could use asterisks, they would work as well. Let the great ones lift you up and let the little ones stay below you, that's what my grandma used to say to me.


I'm sorry your game is being ruined. I think you are doing very well. You have your house and your tiny stuff. I thought you were having fun in your game.

If your game is being ruined by what's going on in the forum, don't you think that shows that the two ought to be connected?

No, Jeska edited out that signature. (Or somebody of the mods.)

I wouldn't want you to AR her anyhow, for anything. Just wanted you to know, wasn't me who used that phrase.

Your grandmother is a smart lady!

coco

See Coco, you're not a singular voice. I think all over the boards there are people who think alike. This has got to be a comfort to you.

Due to RL, I am unfortunatly on the boards all day and unable to be in world much. And I'm a fast reader and a search freak. *BLUSH*..

And as much as I try to see your view, I have issue with this this statement. Despite your ignorning my post above, I'll yet again respond.

"maligned every day".. where? I do not see this?

"having your character "misinterpreted and smeared" .. can you give examples?

And again.. this goes back to *your* opinon about the "obvious problems on these boards"... there are many others who do not see the "obvious" problems that you see. So perhaps those problems are not so much obvious, as they are opinions?

For the love of God, please no more examples.

Not quite, but since you're obviously slavering to repeat it and have no real issue with it being bandied about, I'm curious why it upset you in the first place. Anyway, feel free to hit my blog and get the quote right. (shrug)



Apparently, you're unfamiliar with the concept of a progressive system. Perhaps you should familiarize yourself. I mean, I know you would prefer to hold the whip and be a 'this ain't baseball, and you're out of here' kind of gal... well, when you're not trying to play at being all about 'fairness' and 'equality', that is.... but I think I'm not alone when I say the patina of faux-concern is not fooling many.



Now you're a mind-reader, too. Amazing. While you're feeling like making accusations, maybe you could provide a little proof? You know, so people won't end up thinking you're just flapping your arms and screaming about the sky is falling just for the attention.



Warnings didn't deter Prok either. We see what happened there.



I'm pretty sure you are more 'mad' about not getting your way than anything. Guess what? Life's tough, chickie. Wear a helmet.



Wishful thinking, eh? Such a fair and equal-minded person you are, Cocoanut. Really, I just don't know why so many people think you're otherwise. No. Really.



For a moment there, I thought you lost track of your agenda. Nice save. Well, almost.



So glad YOU agree with it. I'm sure all the Lindens are just sleeping sooo much better now that you have decided to agree their choice of action is acceptable.



RTFM. For that matter, RTFEula.



Yeah, yeah, yeah... when you've been online as long as I have, you know enough to know the above paragraph is more than a little uninformed... both in how things work as well as how much latitude you have after you've agreed to the EULA. -yawn-



Believe me, you're doing a stellar job of showing people precisely what you're all about.... don't you change a thing, honey.



Yes! WHAT ABOUT THE CHILLLLLDREN!

Jaysus.



Right. Oh well. Back on ignore ya go. Don't think I'll be giving you any third chances.

Good luck in your campaign, but realise I say that with full knowledge of just how pointless it is, how truly snarled you've made it all, and the assurance that the Carnegie method just wasn't in mind when you decided to undertake Prok's little crusade.

Ah well.

I want examples based on this quote alone. Just because Coco has given her story in a variety of ways, does not mean that I (or others) know exactly what she is refering to in this particular statement.

and if you don't like my questions, refer to Aimee's picture above

Sorry I am just shell shocked after after the dramatic retelling of the story of Coco for the one gazillionth time. Like Cienna, I asked too:

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What he said.

*wonders how many times the same questions will be asked and answered?
*wonders if anyone has anything new to add?
*wonders if these folks are finished stating their views so new ppl can post to this thread?

*This is getting old fast, round and round and round they go adding nothing postive to this thread.

Just thinking outloud no need to reply.

Cat

Cat, I'm sorry but I have to stick up for Coco on this one, but if you can continue to post, why can't others? What is stopping new people from posting?

I think free speech entails every to post. I believe Coco and the others have the right to restate their views if they feel like it. Saying Coco shouldn't restate her views is one of the reasons she sometimes feels she's being attacked. Please be nice to Coco and don't tell her not ask the same questions and say the same things if she feels like it. She has the right.

"Just thinking outloud no need to reply. "

Yes Catherine, I saw that part. I'm sorry but I felt compelled to respond, which is still my right under free speech. I'm sorry if I'm bothering you or doing something wrong.

**Just trying to be fair to everyone. Can we all be nice today?**

In other words, "Read what I say and STFU".

Translation:

"My opinion matters. Yours doesn't."

The first time I ever followed a discussion with Catherine Cotton in it, she made the immortal declaration, "[expletive] your opinions." As a result of that I'm taking her newly-discovered open-mindedness and tolerance with a grain of salt.

That was pretty much what I gleaned from the message as well.

Just to be clear ... if I typed what I was thinking regarding the posting habits of a few of the members on this forum ... would it violate the TOS? Or could it fall under the guidelines of "just thinking outloud" and be allowed? Cuz to be honest, I do wonder about some people and the profuse amount of free time they must have on their hands