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Riiight.

Hey, Paul Newman .. you come across as a total fucking moron.

In case you're wondering why, it's because I disagree with what you are saying.

Blaze,

You edited your post after a replied. There is a big difference between describing a post as trolling, and calling someone a whore. It is also about levels of disrespect, Blaze. In a forum, trolling is a well established pattern of behavior. You can replace it with incendiary posts, which certainly sounds nicer, but it is the same thing. I know you have been labelled a troll at times and thus are sensitive to the phrase, which is why I was not calling you a troll - simply pointing out why posts can be taken as trolling. I do understand your point, and I hope you also follow it - I will do so.

I don't think so. As Aimee said, if one's forum behavior negatively affects someone in game, that needs to have repercussions.

Prokofy was given a break on this rule btw, even though he routinely attacked people's businesses on the forums, and doled out triple negs to people over forum debates.

I agree that tying the two together is a good thing. Getting temporarily banned from the forums didn't have enough sting to it. They should be linked. The guidelines as posted are still very tolerant and provide ample warning and second chances and I don't think they're going to be administered in a draconian way.

Blaze,

That is a purposely obtuse attack - it is not the same thing and you know it - that is a full on personal attack. Saying that a post is coming across as trolling, or hostile, or rude, or insulting is different from saying someone sounds like a fucking moron. If you want to seriously discuss this, please don't play games.

It does seem like it overextends from one point of view, yes.

I belive the intent, however, is to make such a significant misstep in behavior more costly and therefore cause posters to be more cautious and civil. If it will ultimately have this effect, I dont know. This sort of thing is awfully hit-and-miss.

Well, you might think calling someone a troll is OK, so therefore it's ok for everyone?

Come on! I think calling someone a troll is totally rude. If you want to address me, address my ideas.

Saying "You are coming across as a troll" is pure ad hominem.

Stop addressing me. Stop saying "You <this> <that> <whatever>"

Address the ideas.

Chip, there's also PERMANENT banning. As we have seen here.

There's also modding in the FIRST place. Like when somebody calls someone else a slut, or whatever.

Both those steps can be taken first.

coco

Never mind. I actually hope they do this. Why am I arguing reasonably.

He did not call you a troll. You are an intelligent person Blaze. Why are you trying to start trouble for the sake of starting trouble?

I have addressed your ideas - they are difficult however to deal with when presented in a purposely incendiary manner.

Yeah, I agree, Coco.. they probably should have firmed up the moderation and made it clear what it was all about before adding the game ban.

No one here knows what disrepectful means. For example, I think what Cristiano said was a bannable offense and he doesn't.

What is that supposed to me?

Thus we have the classic vicious circle.

What is your opinion about people who disagree with people in forums, then triple neg rate them in world when they have never met them? That is taking forum punishment to the world. Ohh, and what about when they do it with all of their alts too?


It is hard work defending the devil.

Well, Cristiano, then resist posting.

If you feel the need to insult me with terms like Troll, just don't post. It's that easy!

I'm also sure you have more productive things to be doing in life than calling me a troll.

Also, Prok got banned btw for saying that Aimee was coming across with her brand as an XYZ.

So, you might want to think twice about you say things.

I'm still waiting for the reasonable part. You have yet to once acknowlege the crimes of the convicted.

You honestly think that referring to someone's post as trolling should cause them to be banned from the forums? That is so out of scale, it is not even funny.

Because you're a reasonable person?

Well, you might think calling someone a scripterati, FIC, tekki wiki, etc., etc., is OK, so therefore it's ok for everyone?

Come on! I think calling someone a scripterati, FIC, tekki wiki is totally rude. If you want to address me, address my ideas.

Saying "You are coming across as a scripterati, FIC, tekki wiki" is pure ad hominem.

Stop addressing me. Stop saying "You <this> <that> <whatever>"

Address the ideas.

Blaze,

You can keep pretending I called you a troll - I didn't. I am not certain why you are playing a game like this, but it undermines your own credibility to want to have civil discussions.

No prok got banned for 9 months of trenchmouth.

Also, he attacked Aimee's name before he addressed her business name. Let's not conveniently omit that.

Actually, the forums were more that way before his arrival. Of course, anyone familiar with online community forums knows that there is always drama, disagreements, and hurt feelings. SL has always had minor issues in its forums compared to other onling message boards. If people become more respectful again, I will say it is a resurgence to what we were before.

Blaze,

Furthermore, when you feel the urge to post another incendiary post to cause pain to the forums on purpose (as you stated), resist the urge. It's that easy, and will hopefully keep you from running afoul of the new rules.

So that people don't confuse the word troll with vicious hate crimes, allow me to throw out the Wikipedia definition of troll. After reading that you will see how cut and dry it is. Some people even willingly admit to doing some of the things mentioned in the wiki.

"you seem to have an agenda", "the combination of agenda and flame comes across as a troll" "you seem to jump over the line"

It's all you you you you.

But, hey. I did ask for opinions about me. If he doesn't do this when I don't ask for opinions about me, it's all good.

Eboni, I disagree enormously with Prok's in-world negging thing, I understand his theory for it. But I disagree with it totally, and have said so, both on these forums and to him in person. Now will you get off my back, cause I don't want to fight with you, cause I like you, despite where we disagree.

coco