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Yes.

You have said a truth.

I guess that is true, if the community doesn't include me.

coco

P.S. Oh wait . . . I forgot. I'm a "troll." as in, "do not be a troll."

The more things change, the more they stay the same.

I for one would feel much better reading threads: "Ok I was an asshole in the past and I'm sorry" instead of "Lets all post something encouraging to our friends, and pretend we did nothing wrong"

Yup I am a straight shooter, always have been always will be.

Cat

What are you trying to accomplish with these posts?

Exactly WHO says it's been healed? You? The kumbayah crowd that's suddenly appeared? Please, I find that absolutely ridiculous to even think, let alone type out and post.

If that makes me a troll or professional victim in your eyes, well I can live with that, believe me. And I'm quite happy with my first second life, thanks anyway.

I'm sorry you feel that way, but I don't accept that.
You are a member of the community who holds an apparently minority position on this issue.
That doesn't make you less a part of the community than it makes me less an American for holding a politicaly minority position because I didn't vote for my current president, senator, or congressman.

I don't think Coco is in the minority. I am however getting the destinct impression that there is a new minority in da house

Cat

That's just crazy talk. Having dissenting opinions by itself is not grounds for expulsion. You're intelligent, articulate, and it's always clear in your posts that your intent is to dsicuss ideas. The same goes for Cat. There's a huge difference between holding some contrarian views and going out of your way to expound about them incessantly (even in completely unrelated threads) specifically because they cause uproar and division. You don't post with an agenda aimed at "divide and conquer." By the same token, occassionaly getting riled by someone and calling them an explitive is a minor offense compared to a sustained campaign to cause controversy and slander others. I'm sure Jeska, Pathfinder, and the rest of the Lindens are smart enough to know the difference. Prok was an extreme case by any reasonable definition.

If she holds a majority position on this issue, neither does that make her less a part of the community.

this is much better... the old rule that an alt could post was stupid. it's still the same person posting.this seems overly harsh. but i'm still thinking it over.

Give me a break.

It was stated earlier that anyone who isn't relieved over the banning of this individual is either a troll or a professional victim, or I forget what else.

You think you have rid the forums of a cancer. You have not - the cancer remains.

coco

First of all, let me be clear: I disagree with your opinion, strongly. I don't think we were a hurtful, insulting forum before a certain individual started stiring things up.

That said... If someone felt this, why did they go out of their way time and time again to stir things up more? It's like crying foul when you poke the bear, despite the fact that the bear was clearly grumpy and you were in his den.

Thank you for that Chip, much appreciated.

Cat

I sorta see it. Certain individuals who are otherwise very considerate in-game are socially defective in the forums, because up until know it hasn't mattered in the slightest: The forums were a place to screw around and be an asshat with absolutely no real consequences to you.

This also happened the other way too, we had a couple of people who were ordinarily very kind in the forums be absolute scum in-world.

Absolutly

Hugz

Cat

Anyway, we are all forgetting the reason this thread exists.

The idea is that they are now going to ban people not just from the forums, but from the game itself.

I think that is a bad idea. I don't think the Lindens ban people SOLELY on the basis of numbers of posts alerted. But it does give even more power to those who consistently decide to provoke an individual, and who report those posts with glee and self-righteousness.

It causes a PROBLEM. Getting rid of a problem by getting rid of the undesired individual on the forums is one thing.

Allowing that to remove the person from the game itself - automatically! - is something none of us, imo, should be for.

On all kinds of counts. In TSO we didn't have a rule made about one person, like in this case. It STARTED with that rule. This place was better for not being so draconian. And when they dispensed with that rule, nothing got worse. NOTHING. People just started being able to say what they thought.

That's in general. In particular, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to note that individuals with a grudge against someone will now have the power to influence their removal not from just the forums, but from the game entirely.

That threatens a loss of freedom of speech for all of us. Wait and see, if you don't believe me. It's not fair, either. What someone says on the forums is political, it is persuasive, it is intellectual. It has nothing to do (generally) with what a person does in the game.

I am extremely against this for all the reasons I've outlined. And - specifically - I am against it because I have seen what all Prok did and what all everybody else did, to him, and to anyone who happened to be standing near him. I don't want people to be able to bait, hound, or misinterpret somebody into not only being on the forums, but also off the game.

You think maybe this is great, thinking, hey we'd like to get him off the game, too. But I'm telling you, YOU could be next, and if you are banned from the game as well as the forums, for speaking your mind on the forums, you will not think it is fair, either.

coco

Yes Stone. You can read about it here:
http://www.dragonscoveherald.com/blog/index.php?p=840#comment-11115

I was an asshole once and lashed out. I got an informal warning. I accepted that I had done wrong and I left the mentor group (by my own choice). I felt that strongly that I had done enough wrong not to represent the Lindens in any way. And I still feel that way.

But I do try my hardest *not* to be an asshole. I'm sure I've pissed my fair share of people off. And I do think I've shown that even I can be pushed to the breaking point. I've promised myself to try and not let that happen often.

Well said Chip.

Dunno about that Coco. I've certainly said things on the forums that under the new rules could get me a seven day vacation. If it happened I'd know why. I'd be hard pressed to just scratch my head and say "what did I do?" But hey, it could happen. But if I then came back and continued on in exactly the same manner as if I'd never been warned or suspended and ended up getting perma-banned, not only would I have no reasonable right to think it unfair, I'd have no one to blame but myself.

An apt analogy.

The visible tumor has been partly removed. Further reduction and control through chemotherapy is still nessesary.

Specifically, I need to remind myself that I don't need to respond to the "troll bait", whether that bait is actually a deliberate troll or not. As has been stated by many people in many threads of late, speaking to the issue rather than the poster is more important than flinging vitriol at someone who seems deliberatly out to stir up trouble.

It is perfectly acceptable to simply not reply. No matter how outlandish or insulting a post might appear - because a troll is looking for that, and if he or she doesn't find it, they will leave. And if the person posting the inflaming remarks is not a troll, then an angry response simply clogs up the forums anyway. It is better to leave an opposing idea momentarily unchallenged than to shift the argument to your personal feelings about the poster.

Of course, all this is obvious. I'm only posting it in an attemt to prove that I'm not a total moron

Pendari, I can promiss you the same. Except I am going to omit this part "to try and not let that happen often."

I do things whole-hearted or not at all.

Cat

Hey, I'm a Libra with a moon in Aquarius. I'll always have my faults.

ROFL I'm a libra too

Cat