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Catherine Cotton
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06-16-2005 19:27
From: Chip Midnight Blaze, you asked for opinions and got one. You even admitted in your following post that you do just that... "create pain" purposefully and wilfully. That's commonly known as trolling and you've admitted on numerous occasions that you do it to stir things up and for your own amusement (which you seem to be doing again by claiming you're going to file an abuse report). Come on man. If you don't want honest opinions about things you yourself admit, don't ask for them. Attack the opinion not the person. Cat |
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Nolan Nash
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06-16-2005 19:27
From: blaze Spinnaker Oh, good.
Joe Shmoe, you come across as a liar, cheater, griefer, troller, jerk, scam artist.
But, I'm sure you're a nice guy. So, like, you can't abuse report me. *Blinks* Hmmm, just a moment ago this read a bit differently. From: blaze Spinnaker Oh, good.
Cristiano, you come across as a SFIing SDFIUed OIUSdofiled.
But, I'm sure you're a nice guy.
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Eboni Khan
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06-16-2005 19:28
From: Catherine Cotton I disagree with your opinion that the fourm moderators are slackers and crappy.
Cat Nice way to twist my words into a personal attack. Catherine. This thread will be closed soon, thanks. |
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Cristiano Midnight
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06-16-2005 19:30
From: Catherine Cotton Attack the opinion not the person.
Cat You say this while you attack me with a manipulated quote on every one of your posts from me to try to harass me. Practice what you preach, please, Catherine.
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blaze Spinnaker
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06-16-2005 19:30
Nolan, I was trying to use logical substitution to make a point.
The form
A comes across as X, Y, Z
is pretty equivalent to
A, you are X, Y, Z
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Taken from The last paragraph on pg. 16 of Cory Ondrejka's paper " Changing Realities: User Creation, Communication, and Innovation in Digital Worlds : " User-created content takes the idea of leveraging player opinions a step further by allowing them to effectively prototype new ideas and features. Developers can then measure which new concepts most improve the products and incorporate them into the game in future patches."
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Catherine Cotton
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06-16-2005 19:31
From: Cristiano Midnight Catherine,
He asked about himself personal - why his presentation of ideas get him in trouble and flamed, thus it was about Blaze. Notice the "I I I", hence the "you you you". He can ask, but you don't need to take the bait. Cat |
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blaze Spinnaker
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06-16-2005 19:31
Well, people do seem to be trying more or less.
I guess we'll see how it all works out. If people are more respectful of each other, then my opinion is that Prokofy was successful at something I could never do.
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Taken from The last paragraph on pg. 16 of Cory Ondrejka's paper " Changing Realities: User Creation, Communication, and Innovation in Digital Worlds : " User-created content takes the idea of leveraging player opinions a step further by allowing them to effectively prototype new ideas and features. Developers can then measure which new concepts most improve the products and incorporate them into the game in future patches."
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Cristiano Midnight
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06-16-2005 19:33
From: Catherine Cotton He can ask, but you don't need to take the bait.
Cat It was not bait, it was a genuine statement on why his posts are perceived badly, and thus why he ultimately runs afoul of things. If one can't look at ones own actions and make any kind of changes at all, what is the point? I happen to like some of Blaze's posts and often agree with him, but they end up going to hell for the very reasons I stated, and that's a shame, because it's unproductive.
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Catherine Cotton
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06-16-2005 19:34
From: Cristiano Midnight You say this while you attack me with a manipulated quote on every one of your posts from me to try to harass me. Practice what you preach, please, Catherine. ok wait a min im honestly confused here didn't you just say: Today, 10:03 PM From: Cristiano Midnight
Enabran,
Excellent post. This is about rexamining our own actions, and the actions of others in a new light, and just learning to let it all go and go back to enjoying this incredible opportunity we all have. Those who are coming into this thread and posting negatively should look inward instead of lashing outward - no one is blameless in this, not me - not any of you. We all need to move on, or it just will remain this ugly vicious circle that serves no one.
There will be disagreements, and not everyone has to like each other, but we can at least try to coexist without beating each other up. The best response often is just to say nothing at all, no matter how much we might want to. It is hard when you feel something is a personal affront to you - but that is precisely the time to do so. In the end, it will help us all individually. Everyone believes they are right and just in their own minds - that is human nature. In the end on 99% of the stuff we talk about, it doesn't even really matter who is right or wrong - we generally are not going to convince anyone anyway.
It becomes a fool's errand and downward spiral to try to win an argument in the forums, especially with people who refuse to listen to you or acknowledge their own mistakes. I certainly have made them, and reevaluate myself all the time. I would much rather get back to enjoying SL and not spending so much time being concerned what fresh hell is going to be levelled in the forums. I hope it can return to some level of civility and normalcy, and that even damaged relationships can be repaired. It's not worth all of this negativity.
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Your opinions are confusing me, the only thing I can assume is your post at 10:03 PM doesn't apply to me  Attack the opinon not the person. |
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Nolan Nash
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06-16-2005 19:34
From: blaze Spinnaker Nolan, I was trying to use logical substitution to make a point.
The form
A comes across as X, Y, Z
is pretty equivalent to
A, you are X, Y, Z I was more or less interested that you removed Cristiano's name. I understood that you were making a point, I just don't agree with it.
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blaze Spinnaker
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06-16-2005 19:34
Ok, Cristiano... I agree.
Because I asked for an opinion about me, I left myself open to personal attacks.
Therefore, if I do not ask for an opinion about me.. there will be no personal attacks.
I think that, as a forum policy, is perfectly reasonable.
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Taken from The last paragraph on pg. 16 of Cory Ondrejka's paper " Changing Realities: User Creation, Communication, and Innovation in Digital Worlds : " User-created content takes the idea of leveraging player opinions a step further by allowing them to effectively prototype new ideas and features. Developers can then measure which new concepts most improve the products and incorporate them into the game in future patches."
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blaze Spinnaker
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06-16-2005 19:35
Nolan,
I edit everything extensively because I don't want to come off sounding like I'm personally attacking someone.
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Nolan Nash
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06-16-2005 19:35
From: Catherine Cotton Attack the opinon not the person. Spamming is a no-no. Can you please put Cristiano back on ignore?
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Cristiano Midnight
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06-16-2005 19:36
From: blaze Spinnaker Ok, Cristiano... I agree.
Because I asked for an opinion about me, I left myself open to personal attacks.
Therefore, if I do not ask for an opinion about me.. there will be no personal attacks.
I think that, as a forum policy, is perfectly reasonable. You do recognize that commenting on your posts and commenting on you are two different things, yes? To say that someone's posts are trolling is not a personal attack on them, it is an attack on the nature of the posts. Incendiary posts do not help facilitate a discussion, they just divert attention and cause divisiveness, which none of us really want.
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Cocoanut Koala
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06-16-2005 19:36
Y'all . . .
Do you, or do you not, like the idea of tying a person's posts to the game, as, if you are banned from the forums you will be banned from the game?
That is the important question here.
coco
P.S. I vote no. I don't care what kind of names anybody calls me, I want them to be able to do so without being banned from the game as an over-arching punishment.
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Cristiano Midnight
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06-16-2005 19:39
From: Cocoanut Koala Y'all . . .
Do you, or do you not, like the idea of tying a person's posts to the game, as, if you are banned from the forums you will be banned from the game?
That is the important question here.
coco I am very uncomfortable with the correlation in the reverse. I understand a user who is banned from SL being banned from the forums, but not the other way around. That seems overly draconian from a company that won't even ban someone for repeated death threats and stalking. Believe it or not, while I wanted Prokofy to tone down his rhetoric, I did not want to see him banned altogether from the forums, and ddefinitely would hate to see him banned from SL after all of his hard work in world. Someone should not be denied the opportunities of SL because they can't play well with others in a forum. That is just overkill.
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blaze Spinnaker
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06-16-2005 19:39
From: someone
You do recognize that commenting on your posts and commenting on you are two different things, yes? To say that someone's posts are trolling is not a personal attack on them, it is an attack on the nature of the posts. Incendiary posts do not help facilitate a discussion, they just divert attention and cause divisiveness, which none of us really want.
Ok, Cristiano, this is purely theoretical because I *do* respect and admire you, so don't get the wrong idea. What if I said: Hey Cristiano, you are coming across a <very abuseive, insulting, offensive words go here> Are you saying that's fully respectful? It would be like me saying Hey, KatieHolms, you're coming across as a whore. I mean .. where does it end? It ends simply with abusive, insulting, deragatory language. If you have something to address, address the ideas. Use critical thinking and logic. Anything that has the word "you" in it, should be followed by something very positive, friendly, and respectful.
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Enabran Templar
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06-16-2005 19:39
From: Cocoanut Koala Y'all . . .
Do you, or do you not, like the idea of tying a person's posts to the game, as, if you are banned from the forums you will be banned from the game?
That is the important question here.
coco
P.S. I vote no. I don't care what kind of names anybody calls me, I want them to be able to do so without being banned from the game as an over-arching punishment. I love that accountability is being added to the forums. I'd say it's long overdue.
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Jillian Callahan
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06-16-2005 19:39
From: Cocoanut Koala Y'all . . .
Do you, or do you not, like the idea of tying a person's posts to the game, as, if you are banned from the forums you will be banned from the game?
That is the important question here.
coco I like that there are now more serious and attention-getting consequences for making the forums a less usefull place. As long as the moderators are inteligent enough to avoid using the rules as a way to quell simple dissent (and I am fully confident they are), this may help improve discourse here. |
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Nolan Nash
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06-16-2005 19:39
From: Cocoanut Koala Y'all . . .
Do you, or do you not, like the idea of tying a person's posts to the game, as, if you are banned from the forums you will be banned from the game?
That is the important question here.
coco I like it. I have always held that when folks try to say that they are different in-world from their forum persona, it is an excuse. The forums are an extension of SL, so I don't have an issue with discipline being common to both.
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Cristiano Midnight
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06-16-2005 19:41
From: blaze Spinnaker Ok, Cristiano, this is purely theoretical because I *do* respect and admire you, so don't get the wrong idea.
What if I said: Hey Cristiano, you are coming across a <very abuseive, insulting, offensive words go here>
Are you saying that's fully respectful? Yes, it actually is - I don't take that as a personal attack. I would certainly expect you to elaborate, but I think people have a responsibility for their words and should be able to be criticized for them. It is one thing to go after someone on a personal level, but I think what we post here is fair game for discussion - even unflattering discussion.
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Aimee Weber
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06-16-2005 19:41
From: Cocoanut Koala Y'all . . .
Do you, or do you not, like the idea of tying a person's posts to the game, as, if you are banned from the forums you will be banned from the game?
That is the important question here.
I think it is the proper thing to do. To me, the forums and "in world" are tied to each other. If you slander a business in the forums, their sales are hurt in game. If you slander someone in game, you could damage friendships in the forums. I thought punishing one and not the other always seemed like an odd, unnatural separation. |
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Cocoanut Koala
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06-16-2005 19:42
But wait, guys! Isn't being banned from the forums enough?
As Cristiano said, just because a person doesn't get along in the forums with others, he should be disallowed the right to play the game?
coco
P.S. I see a difference, Aimee. I come here to discuss the GAME. I go there to PLAY the game. Two entirely different things; one much more cerebral than the other.
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blaze Spinnaker
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06-16-2005 19:42
Well, I think it would be hard in the case of Prokofy because he clearly loves the game.
If it was in the case of some snide griefer who wasn't sincere at all, well, I don't think anyone would care.
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Enabran Templar
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06-16-2005 19:42
From: Aimee Weber I think it is the proper thing to do. To me, the forums and "in world" are tied to each other. If you slander a business in the forums, their sales are hurt in game. If you slander someone in game, you could damage friendships in the forums.
I thought punishing one and not the other always seemed like an odd, unnatural separation. Aimee, I completely agree. Accountability for one's actions was sorely lacking on the forums prior to this policy shift. Now behavior will matter.
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