Discuss New Forum Policy Here

The forum policy is pointless.

For one, forum policy can with very little notice, and it will change and does. I've seen various Lindens update it real time.

The issue is purely how will it be implemented. Can I or someone else post a wild and crazy idea and someone come on and belittle them?

if they can, then things haven't changed. They've just developed a corporate chilling effect.

What Blaze said.

Now go ahead and write me off, and him off, and Catherine off, and anyone else who has ever experienced any of the less than stellar forum behavior from those who think they own the forums.

Including, for example, my being told early on - out of nowhere! and for no reason! (other than of course, agreeing with Prok on something) - that I came into this game "with a chip on her shoulder."

But those who aren't sure what all has happened just may think twice. Don't think you have coralled EVERYONE into your little clique. I, for one, do not like how this clique operates.

And I don't use the "C" word lightly. But this calls for it.

You MAKE your own monsters. I know you do. Hoiw do I know? Because I'm a very nice, well-liked, non-confrontational kind of person, and you have made ME the enemy. And right now, I'm so disgusted I could spit.

coco

P.S. New people may not be aware of lots of things, for instance, a campaign - a FORMAL CALL and AGREEMENT from MANY of these people - to literally "shun" Prokofy. Naturally, I objected.

My interpretation of the new forum policy tells me the answer to your questions is; "absolutely no. you will not be belittled in the forums. At least not without someone being held accountable for doing so."

That was my read on it as well. But, again, if it's not implemented then it was really just a way of saying "If you don't make lots of friends in these forums you better not post unpopular ideas, otherwise you're outta here".

That was my read on it as well. But, again, if it's not implemented then it was really just a way of saying "If you don't make lots of friends in these forums you better not post unpopular ideas, otherwise you're outta here".

Everything I ever post has (and always will) go over like a lead balloon. I have no desire to talk about stuff that people are merely going to agree with me.

Assuming I stay away from personal attacks, does that mean I'm in trouble?

What's the consensus?

Everything I ever post has (and always will) go over like a lead balloon. I have no desire to talk about stuff that people are merely going to agree with me about.

I have a pretty hefty sense of self asteem and I'm not looking for people to shore up my ego with lots of nice things about how brilliant I am for saying what they wanted to hear.

So - assuming I stay away from personal attacks, does that mean I'm in trouble?

What's the consensus?

Tyvm for your concern but; I and Mar have not yet received an official warning.

Cat and Mar too

Oh, the new guidelines definitely make me rethink. I'm not a rule breaker, I'm a rule bender!

Plus, I love SL too much to have my account suspended.

As for the other - that's what I do. I make people think about what they're desperately trying hard to pretend doesn't exist - but does.

And when I do, it creates cognitive dissonance. A very unpleasant state of being which always results in confusion and annoyance and, yes, usually personal attacks on my character.

I create pain because people need to take opposing ideas and somehow find a compromise that they can live with. People like to return that pain by attacking me personally.. which, fortunately, works less and less.

Perfect proof of how crappy up and slack the moderation of these boards have been.

Everything I ever post has (and always will) go over like a lead balloon. I have no desire to talk about stuff that people are merely going to agree with me about.

I have a pretty hefty sense of self asteem and I'm not looking for people to shore up my ego with lots of nice things about how brilliant I am for saying what they wanted to hear.

So - assuming I stay away from personal attacks, does that mean I'm in trouble?

What's the consensus?

Cristiano, I think a part of the new forum guideliness will not be calling me a troll.

As such, I am abuse reporting your post. Nothing personal.

Cristiano, I think a part of the new forum guideliness will not be calling me a troll.

As such, I am abuse reporting your post. Nothing personal.

Here's the story: Prok made an interesting analysis of brand name identity using "Cubey Terra" and "Aimee Weber." He was basically correct on all the things which we commonly associate with such names. None of it was particularly flattering; none of it was particularly any sort of "attack." I don't expect most of you to realize that, though.

The individuals in question, or their friends, took offense. Enabran appealed to the Linden Hotline. People talked to Lindens in talk chat. This, probably combined with numerous post reportings of Prok's posts, ended up with him banned permanently from the forums.

This means that you will no longer have Prok to fight with. You will also learn nothing from what Prok might have said. You have succeeded in getting rid of Prok. Despite the fact that the things said to him were invariably far more horrible than any of his theorizing and pontificating EVER were.

What is one's defense against getting your posts reported as "offensive" or "attacks"? Reporting other people oneself? Should we all get into a big reporting war? I remember BEGGING Pathfinder one time to kindly look up my ISP or IP or whatever it is to prove that I was not an alt, for someone ANYONE to put an end to the misery people dealt out to me, in so many flavors. Never have I been subjected to such nasty treatment, never in my life. Nothing, nothing, nothing was ever done in my case. Course, I didn't REPORT people either. That's probably key.

And guess what - I never will. So if you want me to get banned, or even banned from the entire game, I invite you to report THIS POST. This one, as being divisive, as "trolling," as being a "wanna-be troll," and all those horrible things I have ever been called which are simply not true (ask anyone else on any other forum I am or have ever been on). While you are at it, mention that I attacked everyone I named in this post.

Report it BUNCHES, y'all. Then you will have the power not only to get me to shut UP, but your power will reach out even to the game. Pretty dang soon you will have nobody else in the dang game but you, you, you, you, and those who YOU happen to like. The unpopular kids in class not only will not get to speak up, they'll even be kicked out of school entirely.

I have already lived through this mistake Jeska and the others are currently in the big middle of making. In TSO, the boards used to have the same policy: We don't like what you say here, and bam - you can no longer play the game. Gone were that person's investment, gone was their money, their skills, their everything.

Present was FEAR.

When the boards moved over to Stratics, people were no longer worried about losing their heads. And no, it didn't go all to hell without the threat of losing your GAME along with your board posting privileges. On the other hand, on that board, people weren't ALLOWED to call others alts, trolls, wannabe trolls, bedazzled followers, mental cases, lunatics, ALL the things, you guys can name them all, along with revealing rl information. That was NEVER allowed on the other board. I couldn't believe it when I got here and got beaten up.

The problem here has been not just enforcement, but any kind of reasonable enforcement. Fair enforcement. Was there ever any enforcement against what was said about me? No. About Catherine? Not that I know of. But let a certain group of folks get together and hound another poster, and lookie there, he's gone. Congrats, folks. Hope you're damn proud of yourselves. This has been so good for the community, has it not?

I realize that people like me are NOT in the community, and never will be (despite that I am a pillar of every other community I am in or have ever been in), so the fact that I'm distressed doesn't matter one bit, now does it. But I actually think this new idea is really an excellent one. Because then you, too, will live in fear of losing NOT ONLY YOUR POSTING PRIVILEGES, but your ACCOUNT AS WELL.

Course, that shouldn't be much of a problem for those who really don't think a lot, and don't criticize much of anything, and never looks cross-eyed at anyone for any reason. Also it isn't much of a problem for people who don't post at all - or post honestly, or bother to even be in the conversation. When this sort of power is wielded by a few - and I DO MEAN A FEW - handful of individuals, there is no point in even having a forum. Let's just let those who are causing all this have it. Maybe they'll turn on each other.

Hey, I was called a troll by Weedy just the other day. Maybe I should get on Weedy's case - start alerting every post s/he ever makes. Get a few of my friends, too - probably are more than just me who may not be best friends with Weedy. Maybe we could even enjoy the great power of preventing that individual from playing the game entirely!

Now I wouldn't do that, I never will. I'd rather never post here again OR even play the game again than I would want to report people's posts for every little reason. So report me to death, guys, you can take away my right to play the game!

Wait and see, folks. This tying the boards thing with the game isn't a good idea, and wasn't a good idea when TSO did it.

And remember - (this is my favorite part!) - you brought this on yourselves. How appropriate that you should be cheering now. I hope it comes back to bite you on the butt. Do you think all those who hated the TSO policy of having your game tied to the boards were all weirdos? No. Reasonable people lived in fear.

And of the ones of us who are NOT popular with the in crowd, which of us will be next?

And why is it that on these boards, since the beginning, I've always cautioned about who will be next? It's a bad thing if I have to keep doing that.

coco

Much of the problem you encounter seems to be in the delivery, Blaze. The threads seem to simply be a firestarter - not to serve any other purpose but to inflame people. Additionally, you often seem to have an agenda when starting a topic. The combination of agenda and flame cause it to merely come across as a troll, instead of a sincere look at a topic. Perhaps it is just that you have used up way too much forum karma on such things, I'm not sure. You can be provocative without being a troll, but it is a fine line and you seem to jump over the line sometimes mid thread, back and forth, and it just takes the whole thread down like the Titanic.

I think also the fact that you do things like lament personal attacks, while making them yourself takes away a lot of credibility from your posts. Whatever validity the topic at hand may have, it is lessened when you say things like "the VP of development's technical skills do not match the level of his immaturity" (paraphrase). While it's not on a member, it is still a pretty harsh personal attack, it doesn't matter who it is against. It takes away from the credibility of your argument, and thus, your posts seem purposely incendiary.

Cristiano, I think a part of the new forum guideliness will not be calling me a troll.

As such, I am abuse reporting your post. Nothing personal.

Nice to see that you are still defending the jerk that has personally attacked tens of people in these forums over and over and over and over and over again. Along with abuse of the ratings systems and a slew of other things. Prokofy is lucky not to be perma banned from the game. I will miss many of Prokofy's views on how screwed up SL is because there was always a bit of truth in Prokofy's posts, but the personal attacks and the slander, lost the message.


My opinion of you and your defense of Prokofy remains the same.

Attack the post not the person. "you, you, you, you..."

Cat

Everything I ever post has (and always will) go over like a lead balloon. I have no desire to talk about stuff that people are merely going to agree with me about.

I have a pretty hefty sense of self asteem and I'm not looking for people to shore up my ego with lots of nice things about how brilliant I am for saying what they wanted to hear.

So - assuming I stay away from personal attacks, does that mean I'm in trouble?

What's the consensus

Eh? No, I asked if I would get banded by the lindens.

I didn't say, "Oh open season on Blaze Spinnaker".