What are the free speech limits on an offensive 9/11 build?
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Himiko Meiji
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06-10-2005 21:22
From: Iridian Oz i do what I want i do what i want i do what i want
so what if it annoys other people! so what if it annoys other people! so what if it annoys other people! so what if it annoys other people! so what if it annoys other people!
its my humor! its my humor! its my humor! its my humor!
you dont get it you dont get it
give me a break! there is some secret method to w-hattery speak, i see, gawd you folks are so above us, so cool, so hip, so 'in'! I miss junior high too sometimes, dont feel too bad! You must be pretty stupid not to see it, look harder. Don't use your eyes, use your mind.
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Himiko Meiji
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06-10-2005 21:23
From: Einsman Schlegel You haven't read the TOS or CS have you.
What exactly that we're doing is against the CS. Not to mention TOS. Harrasment. The entire COMMUNITY doesn't NEED TO BE INVOLVED IN THIS. It could had been done PRIVATELY via the Lindens. This entire thread is against it.
And since if the Lindens DONT respond to certain people's requests, then its brought up as a drama pitch. For someone's personal entertainment.
I don't find it funny. Not quite, try again.
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Iridian Oz
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06-10-2005 21:24
From: Himiko Meiji You must be pretty stupid not to see it, look harder. Don't use your eyes, use your mind. *closes eyes* I see jonny, i see michelle, i see julie, i see ralphie, i see HYPOCRISY! Who let him in here?!!!! ZOMG!
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Alexandra DeFarge
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06-10-2005 21:25
Time and time again the foolish and feebleminded rail and cry against us. Someday you will learn.
Personally, I think the newest incarnation of our 9/11 Tribute is the best and clearest expression of what it was intended to be all along. Art makes you think, art invokes a response - if you feel nothing when you look at it, the artist has failed. If the intent was to invoke a feeling, even anger - the artist has done his job.
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Himiko Meiji
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06-10-2005 21:25
From: Iridian Oz *closes eyes*
I see jonny, i see michelle, i see julie, i see ralphie, i see HYPOCRISY! Who let him in here?!!!! ZOMG! Incorrect, please insert another coin to try again.
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Einsman Schlegel
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06-10-2005 21:25
From: Himiko Meiji Not quite, try again. Horray for trolls.
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Himiko Meiji
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06-10-2005 21:26
From: Einsman Schlegel Horray for trolls. What about gnomes?
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Iridian Oz
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06-10-2005 21:36
From: Himiko Meiji Incorrect, please insert another coin to try again. no thanks, i dont want or need to see what you believe to be profound. to me its just hypocrisy and excuses from RL damaged people who have to join a group of other self realized pariahs to fit 'in', with others who want to take out their personal problems on faceless people at the other end of a wire. It's time for me to leave I fear, friends coming over, and wasting energy on you just can't compete with that at all... maybe we'll make an effigy of the towers out in the yard, point a burning jet at it, and see what the neighbors think. I will be sure to wear body armor. nite kids
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Loksr Mysterio
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06-10-2005 21:37
From: Iridian Oz no thanks, i dont want or need to see what you believe to be profound.
to me its just hypocrisy and excuses from RL damaged people who have to join a group of other self realized pariahs to fit 'in', with others who want to take out their personal problems on faceless people at the other end of a wire.
It's time for me to leave I fear, friends coming over, and wasting energy on you just can't compete with that at all...
maybe we'll make an effigy of the towers out in the yard, point a burning jet at it, and see what the neighbors think. I will be sure to wear body armor.
nite kids Goodnight
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Einsman Schlegel
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06-10-2005 21:41
From: Himiko Meiji What about gnomes? So basically what you're saying, 'neener neener my view is right and yours is wrong?' Lol. Oook. What grade level are we in?
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Cristiano Midnight
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06-10-2005 21:51
From: Einsman Schlegel You haven't read the TOS or CS have you.
What exactly that we're doing is against the CS. Not to mention TOS. Harrasment. The entire COMMUNITY doesn't NEED TO BE INVOLVED IN THIS. It could had been done PRIVATELY via the Lindens. This entire thread is against it.
And since if the Lindens DONT respond to certain people's requests, then its brought up as a drama pitch. For someone's personal entertainment.
I don't find it funny. I don't appreciate your characterization of me, Einsman. You do not know my motivations for starting this thread, so don't you dare attempt to speak what they were. I stated my reasons clearly in this thread. I asked a question about the limits of free speech in SL. As someone personally connected to the event. It amazes me the lengths people will go to in order to justify someone being completely oblivious to the feelings of others. This build serves absolutely no point but to cause pain and to mock. That is what I don't find funny. Even so, I did not ask to have it removed, but this freedom of speech you are so fucking worried about also allows me to speak about what I think of the build, and by proxy, your post.
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Loksr Mysterio
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06-10-2005 21:56
From: Cristiano Midnight
It amazes me the lengths people will go to in order to justify someone being completely oblivious to the feelings of others. This build serves absolutely no point but to cause pain and to mock.
So you can read minds now? That's pretty cool. Please tell how you accomplished this amazing feat.
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Huns Valen
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06-10-2005 21:57
From: Cristiano Midnight It amazes me the lengths people will go to in order to justify someone being completely oblivious to the feelings of others. This build serves absolutely no point but to cause pain and to mock. I don't think it's fair for you to make assumptions about the mental state of the person who erected that build. efb
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Cristiano Midnight
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06-10-2005 22:00
From: Huns Valen I don't think it's fair for you to make assumptions about the mental state of the person who erected that build.
efb The person who created the build stated that they created it because they found it all very funny - it is in this thread. I am making no assumptions on that.
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Artillo Fredericks
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06-10-2005 22:01
From: Ace Cassidy Terribly offensive and tasteless? Of course. Should it be torn down? No Its a slippery slope when we start deciding what can and cannot stay in-world based on our subjective sense of what is offensive. I find the Catholic Church and anything related to George W Bush offensive. Can we ban any references to these too? - Ace Well said Ace! I couldn't say it anywhere near as good as you but I certainly agree woth everything you said here! Arti
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Himiko Meiji
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06-10-2005 22:02
From: Einsman Schlegel So basically what you're saying, 'neener neener my view is right and yours is wrong?' Lol. Oook. What grade level are we in? Don't make assumptions on the w-hat group by heresay. Other than a few great meetings I shouldn't judge them either. Nothing you've posted has any facts behind it. Telling people they are stupid and inferior is very immature. Get rid of your superiority on the internet complex. Every once in a while you should go visist the w-hats in baku. To understand is to respect. Sadly few here seem to understand objectivity. All people have a different sense of humor and deal with things different. No one in W-hat forced you to look at a prim wtc texture. Don't take your fascists tendencies out on them. It's easy to understand. Nothing makes sense. Vbulletin said they were going to sue me if i didn't put this crap here. All through your Army careers, you men have bitched about what you call. Grab her vagina by the labia and then shout into it "hello? is there anyone. Inside this carnivous vagina?" Nothings is brraaaaiiiinnnnnnnns!!! unnnnnnn!!! As for scorchio... well, there's no way for me to fix stupidity.
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Einsman Schlegel
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06-10-2005 22:03
From: Cristiano Midnight I don't appreciate your characterization of me, Einsman. You do not know my motivations for starting this thread, so don't you dare attempt to speak what they were. I stated my reasons clearly in this thread. I asked a question about the limits of free speech in SL. As someone personally connected to the event.
It amazes me the lengths people will go to in order to justify someone being completely oblivious to the feelings of others. This build serves absolutely no point but to cause pain and to mock. That is what I don't find funny. Even so, I did not ask to have it removed, but this freedom of speech you are so fucking worried about also allows me to speak about what I think of the build, and by proxy, your post. Well how ironic, you're certainly characterizing the person who created this build but yet, you don't let others characterize you? Why don't you re read the TOS and CS.
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Louis Neutra
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06-10-2005 22:06
Why is my mental state coming into question? Am I all of a sudden unstable or crazy for creating a tower that I found amusing?
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Cristiano Midnight
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06-10-2005 22:07
From: Einsman Schlegel Well how ironic, you're certainly characterizing the person who created this build but yet, you don't let others characterize you?
Why don't you re read the TOS and CS. I commented on the creator's motivations after he himself stated them. I have read the TOS, and there is actually a section that does cover this build Feel free to reread the thread instead of just blindly making statements, Einsman.
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Cristiano Midnight
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06-10-2005 22:12
From: Louis Neutra Why is my mental state coming into question? Am I all of a sudden unstable or crazy for creating a tower that I found amusing? I imagine the reason one would question your mental state, or at least your sense of decency and compassion is because you find the entire tragedy funny somehow. I guess when you lose a close loved one, and then have someone make a mockery of it, perhaps you will understand. I personally don't think you're crazy, I just think that the build was horribly offensive to many people, and not worth the price of upsetting and offending people just because you think it's funny to do so.
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Artillo Fredericks
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06-10-2005 22:13
From: Chip Midnight That build is no different than a forum troll. It's there purely to solicit exactly this kind of response. People shouldn't take the bait. While Matthew's post is likely to draw some fire I have to say that I largely agree with most of his points. If any action should be taken, someone should send a picture of that thing to the builder's mother. I'm sure she'd be real proud at what a pathetic and worthless piece of shit her child turned out to be. Beyond that, see it for what it is. It has no power unless you grant it. /clap yea definitely. we all have the power to change the channel! 
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Siggy Romulus
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06-10-2005 22:17
"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it"
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(No it's wasn't Voltaire)
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Louis Neutra
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06-10-2005 22:23
From: Cristiano Midnight I imagine the reason one would question your mental state, or at least your sense of decency and compassion is because you find the entire tragedy funny somehow. I find the 9-11 tragedy itself funny..? Huh, news to me.
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Artillo Fredericks
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06-10-2005 22:28
:: skips from the 3rd long ass page to the last... "The tower itself is more or less a response to those that felt the need to become uber-patriots after 9-11 and adorn their lawn with American flags and signs that read "JESUS LOVES ALL"." Now see, if only there was a sign or plaque up next to the build that said the builders' true intentions... problem solved for all 
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Paolo Portocarrero
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06-10-2005 22:52
Seems like a lotta folks here have overdosed on a few too many Six Feet Under re-runs. Enough of this subjective/objective relativistic tit-for-tat I'm right/you're wrong but go ahead and speak your mind so that I can twist your words and mock your pain bullshit. Somebody post a poll, already, and let's be done with this. I'll wager that a super-majority agrees that this type of build generally violates the moral sensibilities of "reasonable" persons (a legal standard, btw), not to mention the ToS or CS. Is there a bookie in the house? Oh, and if Americans are twits, then I dare say that all of humanity are twits. We are, after all, the great melting pot of global humanity...
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