What are the free speech limits on an offensive 9/11 build?

Maybe once Havok2 is implemented.

Context.

That piece of art was kept in a gallery. It was not in public display on the street.

People had to consciously decide to see that piece. Anyone within a sim can see that despicable tower display.

That's so sad.

I just wish there was a way to rate others in this game for their builds without dragging it into the forums.

It's amazing how many alts have wound up in this thread.

This is not a matter of rating. It's a matter of a TOS violating build. Something that borders on promoting terrorism, I may add.

(edited) Not everyone who disagrees with your line of reasoning is an alt.

Or are you trying to play some join date elitism crap?

Personally? Is that your reading comprehension issue showing?

You accused others of "jingoism" after leaping with both feet into your own personal rant about "neo-con fascists" in the White House (hey, that's a REAL original label ya got there, missy, hadn't heard that one in probably an hour or two). That's YOUR political jingoism and irrelevant to the issue. It has nothing to do with the senseless piece of offensive garbage these people have tried to pass off as 'protest art'. Calling this "protest" is to dignify a blatant insult to the pain and grief of thousands of families from many countries who lost loved ones. "Art" should have more meaning than mocking the grief of others.


I said nothing about success. I was commenting on the intent behind the piece. In the issue at hand, we have some apparent pretenders whose real intent is to offend, not "make a statement", not "provoke thought". Offend. Period. They said so and their actions support their words, and yet they come to this board trying to pretend that wasn't their intent at all.

As Louis himself said to me when I came over to look at their construction, "Are you offended? It's good to be offended." -- before I ever uttered one word about being offended. What else should I believe than that their sole intent was to offend? The same guy who then tells the rest of us he's ashamed of us for being offended. Does that make sense to you?


Running a planeload of innocent civilians into an office tower provokes reaction too. Your definition of art needs serious work.

By the way, it must be more than a coincidence that we suddenly have posters in this thread who all have 12-15 posts to their credit and are all echoing the same inane justifications for the build. Huh. Just a coincidence, I'm sure.

1 post = alt, newbie, or someone who was dragged into the forum by their good friend for the sole reason of defending them. 90% of the time, it's an alt. There are a whole bunch of posters in this thread that fall under the low-post-count category, so I was commenting on that fact. I was merely pointing this out; I wasn't trying to insult you.

There was certainly no need to swear at me, as I feel I've provided rational arguments in a civil tone. Enjoy your abuse report.

Is it just me, or are a lot of the people in this game fairly liberal in handing out abuse reports like candy?

Edit:

"Something that borders on promoting terrorism"

SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP

Well said Hiro.

One last thought: The solution here is P2P teleport. Then nobody would have even seen this pile of refuse.

This evening, these asswipes who made this building came to my event to disrupt it -- they must have seen my name on the calendar, recalled my post protesting against their build, which is my right, and they attacked me.

They didn't just leave their build on their lot somewhere, they brought it to me to bang me over the head with it.

First, Rotten Thatch brought an airplane or some kind of moving air vehicle on to my lot and flew around swiping at me. I felt my av was bounced around but unfortunately when I tried to hit "Report PVP" it didn't show anything. It was extremely laggy if that was a factor. The fact was, he was looming up at me. I reached out to eject him but ended up returning his plane. He then tumbled out of the sky, dressed as a cliche fanatical Islamicist with a rifle, shouting "Allah Allah". I ejected him.

Before I could manage to ban him, as I was stil trying to fly around and see if my guests were still there and if there were more than one attack, he came again, this time bringing the entire building with him. He came charging right at me with the building. I was in shock. Imagine a giant building coming right at you, and falling, not unlike seeing the RL 9/11 tower fall, which we all did. I was in shock.

It was a deliberate attack. Not art.

No, not art.

I wanted to ask you something, Dianne Mechanique. Did that um "take the mickey out of it" for you? Uh, yeah, whatever.

Another alt. Yay.

I don't think abuse reporting "Fuck you" when someone is objecting to pointing out making light of mass murder that is not even 4 years old and fresh on peoples' minds is anyway "liberal".

Also, you may want to consider that most people don't announce when they report abuse. I generally like to inform people because I feel I have nothing to hide and/or be ashamed of in doign the abuse report. So it may seem like I'm liberal because you notice I post about it, and others don't.

When your civil rational discourse includes making light of such atrocities as the Holocaust, the Oklahoma City bombing, suicide bombing, the JFK assasination, and Tieneman Square, then you are no better than that which you profess to hate. That you even suggest such a thing disgusts me far worse than some cartoon valentine's day parody that no one forced you to view.

My God man... That's... that's horrible.

That's really effed up.

Prove it.

Gangs of kids randomy negging somebody in the WA may well be against the TOS as a form of harassment.

Hundreds of thinking adults individually decided to negate these asswipes, making up a conscious collective, isn't against the TOS. It can't possibly be. They couldn't legislate what people decide to do in that fashion.

You missed my point completely. I think you just read my post too quickly.

I was pointing out other examples of unacceptable displays on par with the 9/11 display in question. It's clear from your reaction that I've proven my point.

I would agree. I think if everyone were to use alts, then that would be against TOS; and I realize you and I disagree on this point.

If someone were paying people to negrate, I'd also consider that promoting attacks against another player. If someone were lying to people to get them to negrate, I think that'd also be promoting attacks.

Prok, while I'm sorry to hear this, it does possibly offer one positive thing: With this gross violation of the TOS, the people in question can no longer hide behind their offensive sham as "art" or "protest". Now they can be dealt with as any griefers would be -- hopefully banned for their attack on your event.

Of course, they'll cry and complain their rights were violated. Naturally. They've shown themselves, though, for who they really are. Trick or Treat is over.

It's just one day a year. Trick or Treat's been over for almost 8 months

Don't fuck with this man.

Yeah i might abuse report you and possibly post about it on the forums with pictures

No, really. It's over. We have two-time losers here.

From the police blotter last Friday, when this whole brouhaha began on the boards:

as I said before. I didn't know who was there until after I crashed. I admittedly laughed my ass off once I saw, but this does not change the fact I did not know and it was not a deliberate attack on you. Do you honestly think I would have PURPOSELY tried to shoot myself in the foot like that? anyway, grow up and learn to take being offended. if you don't it's going to be a very long 90+ years before the day you finally pop off clinging onto your anxiety and fear of possibly being offended

ok but you could have picked a more time appropriate day tbqh. like '4th of July's over for this crowd' or something

Prokofy,

After reading about your experiences on 9/11, I am absolutely sickened that they would do this to you. I don't even know what to say - there is no justification at all. I am sure the same group of apologists will come around and try to justify it, but that is horrific. I'm really sorry that happened to you. I know you and I rarely agree on most things, but on this we are in complete agreement. What a sad, pathetic moment for SL.