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Invect Hasp
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09-21-2005 16:23

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09-21-2005 16:35
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150!

oh dang, I thought this was count yer numbers.


I thought that shit was like golf.. so when I got a 10 I was really proud
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I, for one, am highly un-helped by this thread
Kendra Bancroft
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09-21-2005 16:39
From: Surreal Farber
(1) I am grateful that Ulrika and I do not live in the same country, state, county, or city because having to deal with this real life would suck.

On a side note.. hey AMERICANS... while we waste time on this vapor political virtual bull shit, our real life civil rights, liberties, etc. are being stripped away. Don't lose sight of what really matters.


Haven't. I'll see ya in DC on the 24th.
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09-21-2005 16:42
From: JackBurton Faulkland
So because something is in a Dictionary or any other book for that matter it cant be used to support an argument? HAHA! I wish i was like you and never read a book or any other kind of information and was just blessed with all world knowledge from birth. lol

and by the way you know that it is a multiple def. I suggest you read it again. lol



The problem is --your definition from the dictionary supports MY argument rather your own ;)
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09-21-2005 16:48
From: Cocoanut Koala
Seems to me that in a thread almost entirely devoted to the meaning of the word, posting dictionary definitions of that word is quite germaine.


Oh I agree. Siggy should have posted the definition to the word "scollop." I had to look it up.
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09-21-2005 17:07
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09-21-2005 17:09
From: Pendari Lorentz
I'm just curiuos, what makes you think Ulrika is not an American? Honestly just curious where that came from. :)


OMG, tell me it isn't so.. all this time I thought she was a european....

But then of course Ulrika thought I was Siggy's alt. A high complement that would have surprised the hell out of Jonq and Ferran!!
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Pendari Lorentz
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09-21-2005 17:16
From: Surreal Farber
But then of course Ulrika thought I was Siggy's alt. A high complement that would have surprised the hell out of Jonq and Ferran!!


haha! I remember thinking the same thing when I read her thinking that!! :D


err, I hope I just made sense... :o
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09-21-2005 17:18
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Snowcrash Hoffman
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09-21-2005 17:35
From: Dianne Mechanique
Ah, but #1 is actually true, and even though #2 is false, 3 and 4 fail because of it.

So your whole post hinges on "Ulrika is not an intellectual" which even if you dont agree with her, is patently false. This really makes your whole post about not much at all, (except that it's clear that you don't like Ulrika.)

You might just as well have posted... "I don't like Ulrika!"


I am only responding to this out of amusement, so take it with that grade.

First point, any time someone says something is "patently false" without any proof, that is reinforcing the fallacy. Notice that it is not just false, it is PATENTLY false. Ok, show me how that is patently false?

Second point, I don't even know who Ulrika is, just saw read her posts. Perhaps he/she is a wonderful, intelligent person, I can't judge and it seems to me that you can not like or dislike someone you don't know :) However, I don't agree with a lot of things he/she says and I was not happy with the original post of this thread. Again, by distorting my point to make it look as if I don't like Ulrika you are trying to devalue my original argument, ie another attempt to create a fallacy :) Nice try though hehe
Ellie Edo
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09-21-2005 17:40
From: Ingrid Ingersoll
I am an anti-intellectual because I know SL is pretend?
Am I an intellectual because I know the world is too ?
Ellie Edo
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09-21-2005 18:02
This looks like a nice thread.
Can I hide here ?

I'm trying to escape from a horrid thread I made in a moment of madness about estimating GOM's profits. Where I just had a really humiliating experience for the first time here. I actually found myself scraping around to support a fraying argument, with my ego threatening to switch in big time.

Now I know how so many people here must often feel (OMG - did you see that - its at it again !)

I found a slightly pathetic lateral-thinking way out sideways, but I'm skulking here to let things die down a bit, if thats ok.

I feel a bit chastened. So you might even find me a tiny bit nice, till I've recovered my usual under-control, non-egotistical self importance.

Ye gods ! Did I really just say that ? "non-egotistical self-importance" ? WTF ?

Anyway...........Shhhhhhhh.... nobody tell I'm here............

I'll even act intellectual if you like...........


Edit: Post more! Post faster ! Hide me!
Invect Hasp
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09-21-2005 18:02

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Tai Tuppakaka
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09-21-2005 18:07
From: Ellie Edo
This looks like a nice thread.
Can I hide here ?

I'm trying to escape from a horrid thread I made in a moment of madness about estimating GOM's profits. Where I just had a really humiliating experience for the first time here. I actually found myself scraping around to support a fraying argument, with my ego threatening to switch in big time.

Now I know how so many people here must often feel (OMG - did you see that - its at it again !)

I found a slightly pathetic lateral-thinking way out sideways, but I'm skulking here to let things die down a bit, if thats ok.

I feel a bit chastened. So you might even find me a tiny bit nice, till I've recovered my usual under-control, non-egotistical self importance.

Ye gods ! Did I really just say that ? "non-egotistical self-importance" ? WTF ?

Anyway...........Shhhhhhhh.... nobody tell I'm here............

I'll even act intellectual if you like...........


LOL. I worry about that everytime I post something. I'm sorry it happened to you. Welcome to this thread. Beware the sharks in the water.
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09-21-2005 18:12
From: Tai Tuppakaka
Beware the sharks in the water.


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Jim Lumiere
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09-21-2005 18:16
Can we please use smaller words? Im so confused.
Bertha Horton
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09-21-2005 18:21
Oops. My vote created a three-way tie. Sorry about that.
Snowcrash Hoffman
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09-21-2005 19:10
From: Ellie Edo

I found a slightly pathetic lateral-thinking way out sideways, but I'm skulking here to let things die down a bit, if thats ok.

I feel a bit chastened. So you might even find me a tiny bit nice, till I've recovered my usual under-control, non-egotistical self importance.

Ye gods ! Did I really just say that ? "non-egotistical self-importance" ? WTF ?

Anyway...........Shhhhhhhh.... nobody tell I'm here............

I'll even act intellectual if you like...........


Edit: Post more! Post faster ! Hide me!


haha! You got to love SL forums, the amount of entertainment here AND the "intellectual enlightment" is worth my LL subscription even if I never log on to the game! This is priceless! :)
Teeny Leviathan
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09-21-2005 19:19
317 years in the future, two students of Trans-Imperial American History are studying an electronic text called "The Complete Internet Archive 2000 - 2010".

Katrina404: Look at this. Its a thread from an old forum. Apparently, the forum was connected to Metaverse v0.003.

Rita420: They used to call 0.003 Second Life, or SL for short.

Katrina404: I know that! What do I look like, a dubya?

Rita420: You wish you were that skanky.

Katrina404: Anyways, back in 20 od 5, one of the forum intellectuals started this thread about anti-intellectuals...

Rita420: Yeah, I heard about that thread! Her name was Ureka or something...

Katrina404 The chick in the sparkplug logo.

Rita420: Yes. One in the same.

Katrina404: Can you believe the stuff they wrote? Those posts go on forever, and they typed every word. By hand, even. Carpal tunnel was common back then.

Rita420: How do they find the time to write so much? They used to do 40 hour work weeks back then. They didn't have plastic pals to help them. Shit, they even drove automobiles to their places of employment. Inefficient lives, yet they could pound out crap that would make Tolstoy piss himself with its lack of brevity.

Hugo911: Excuse me, lady and cyborg, but that very thread just happens to be the foundation of all Metaverse law, and the cornerstone of the Imperial Constitution...

Rita420: The Constitution was also copied partially from a rack of old Pre-Imperial America postcards.

Rita420 and Katrina404 chime in together: Don't Mess With Texas! Show Me the Money!

Hugo911: Ureka couldn't have possibly known that the thread she started would change the planet, and eventually spread across deep space to consume 4 other colony systems. To this day, some historians believe the thread was just started to cause a little forum buzz.

Rita420: Damn, time for my meds! Can't get caught trying to kill all humans again! (inserts medchip into forehead interface) Ahhh, minty!
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Tai Tuppakaka
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09-21-2005 19:26
From: Teeny Leviathan
317 years in the future, two students of Trans-Imperial American History are studying an electronic text called "The Complete Internet Archive 2000 - 2010". [...]


*Clap*

Very good!
Emma Soyinka
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09-21-2005 19:48
From: Ulrika Zugzwang
It seems like most progressive causes in SL (Bill of Rights, player-run moderation, reformation of land auctions, binding democratic votes) are opposed not by the Lindens or by special interest groups (land barons, forum junkies) that might suffer from the changes but by a crowd of anti-intellectuals, who irrationally resist change.

Much like scientific education in the U.S. is hobbled by those who push for the teaching of irrational theories like "intelligent design", is SL's growth being slowed by a similar group of anti-intellectuals?

~Ulrika~

Ah, so if we don't want an escape from reality, which is a service and will thusly never be a true country, to become more and more like a true country with bill of rights, government, free speech, trials, tax, wellfare, and all that hubbub to no not become worthless as an escape, because we want to keep SL as an escape from reality and not deal with the same tripe there that we do in real life, we're suddenly all anti intellectuals who are afraid of change?

*snerk* Yeah. Nice generalization there.

EDIT: And no, I didn't bother reading the whole thread. I'm too stupid and opposed to intellectualism and change to do that. Hur hur.

EDIT2: And I'm reading.

From: someone
an irrational counter-political movement

Okay, so we're no longer anti intellectual, now we're simply irrational because we don't agree with your point of view. That's nice. I'm sure I'll find more! *continues reading cause she's terribly bored and finds this amusing*

EDIT3: Okay after 6 pages of semantic tripe I'm done reading. Calling someone an anti-intellectual who irrationally resists change is an insult in most places where people don't debate semantics like they have read the dictionary and the thesaurus ten times over. Oh, oops, was that anti-intellectual of me?

All I've seen of these supposed "irrational anti-intellectuals" is that they think a government will cause them a lot of woes, in a place where they pay for a service that allows them to get away from the woes they have to face in every day life. I don't see how such a logical extrapolation is to be called anti-intellectual. I know how badly my government's decisions are affecting me and those around me, a government with billions behind it, and thousands of worker drones to do research, draft up models for propositions, and just generally lending expertise where expertise is needed.

How is it irrational or anti-intellectual to extrapolate that if Unit A with Resources X makes a lot of decisions that adversely affect people, decisions people would rather not deal with, that Unit B with Resources 0.000001*X will do the same damn thing, and probably do worse than Unit A? It's a sensible extrapolation. Sensible also could be called cognizant. Cognitive extrapolations are anti-intellectual?

From where I'm sitting Ulrika's own posts in this thread have been far more anti-intellectual than those in threads on this forum that have spoken against her and this political tripe fad that seems to be going on now.

But I'm sure like my other rational responses to this whole veritable media circus, this post too shall be completely ignored. Although I suppose a few of the bits in this post were emotional and thus anti-intellectual, I suppose little irrelevant snippets of offense will be lifted out, and the vast core of the matter above ignored, to be endlessly debated in semantics. Anything to ignore a good, rational, dare I say intellectual counter-argument for the sake of the agenda, eh?
Ardith Mifflin
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09-21-2005 20:10
I'm not interested in debate, so I haven't bothered reading any of the other comments. My apologies if my opinion has previously been echoed.

I'm not against politics. I'm against global politics. If people want to play politics, they're free to do so. However, they should not wield any power which is not explicitly yielded to them.

Basically, I support free government in private sims or collections of private sims. In such a system, it becomes possible for conflicting political systems to exist in parallel. This is the most fair.

I support projects like Nutella-berg (No offense. I can't remember how to spell it and I love chocolatey hazelnutty goodness). However, that support is contingent on the understanding that I can withdraw support at any time. I view SL as a microcosmic demonstration of Libertarian ideals, and don't believe that political campaigns to eliminate this freedom should be supported. In short, keep it in your sims. Don't tell me how to live my second life.
Ulrika Zugzwang
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09-21-2005 21:01
From: Ardith Mifflin
I'm against global politics. ... Don't tell me how to live my second life.
Global politics exist in SL and there are folks telling you how to live right now. :)

Lobbying affects SL features and rules which then "tell you" how to live. For instance, the feature voting system is a quasidemocratic lobbying tool which is affecting SL as we type. The forum is also a lobbying tool that has directly affected Linden policy (think about how outcries of favoritism have shaped policy). Another example is how the Lindens changed the way the auction system worked to benefit large land resellers (land barons) at the expense of the small land owner.

Everything you deny surrounds you. It's as if you're a fish stating you're against water.

~Ulrika~
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Emma Soyinka
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09-21-2005 21:02
Ah, post ignored yet again, right on schedule, I must say. :)
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