Anti-Intellectual Lobbying
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Ulrika Zugzwang
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09-21-2005 13:21
From: Pol Tabla C'mon Ulrika...I've been trying to argue that there is some merit to the SL political discussion and you go and pull this crap. Do you care about changing minds or polarizing people? This is as unnecessarily inflammatory as any of blaze's poll. I alternate between campy fun, deep thought, and controversial hyperbole. Each style of communication is used depending on the climate of the forums to maximize the impact of message. If you don't like it then get outta my forum.  ~Ulrika~ P.S. - This was post 3000! 
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Travis Lambert
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09-21-2005 13:27
Ok... I step away from the forums to attend a 1-hour meeting. Come back to a tasty new thread, and its 6 pages already!! Can't we all slow down??? (Oh, Congratz on 3k, ~U~) 
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Beau Perkins
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09-21-2005 13:28
"Sally is anti-intellectual."may not be a put down or to insult anyone.
"Sally is a anti-intellectual, who irrationally resist change." Well this sentence has a bit different meaning. You are saying her thoughts are irrational and she is againt intellectual thinking.
One thing that I am surprised no one is commenting on in Ulrikas post is the part about comparing us to "intelligent design". That is a very funny comparison. For those who dont know what she is refering to. People who support Intellegent Design believe life here on earth came from a "god" or superintelligent aliens and say they can scientifically prove this (yet we can not even prove life on other planets exist) . It is a very interesting thought process that I urge anyone who is a free thinker to read about. They also believe it should be taught in the class room, opposed to the theory of evolution.
Of course I am putting it all in laymans terms for you anti-intellectual people who think irrationally and can not grasp this concept.
I do find it very funny that Ulrika compares the fact that I am against organized governement and lobby groups in SL to the theories of Intellegent Design.
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Jauani Wu
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09-21-2005 13:29
From: Cocoanut Koala Again, that is a lie. As I just got done saying above, Anshe herself has corrected you that she was not pushed out of the group. She quit. I was there. I worked with her. I witnessed it all. You were not there. Yet you keep repeating the lie. Just as you lied about me, actually using a group proposal to do it and broadcast the lie to 110 people. Why do you keep doing this? cocoa, maybe you don't understand the subtleties of the english language. when anshe posts that she quit the group because prok refused to cooperate and was holding the group hostage, it means she was pushed out. along with that i'm sure prok made the usual "go start another group" encouragements she constantly gives us when we tell her we don't want MJW to be a lobby group against aimee's panties. secondly, i never said it was you. i said it was the prokocoa commitee. why do you always lie about this event. you keep trying to cover up the treachery of labour day weekend. why?
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Cocoanut Koala
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09-21-2005 13:29
From: Enabran Templar I thought the officer corps already decided you were not to speak for MJW in public. Did I miss another memo? Who is the officer corps? What motivates you? I was accused of attacking you in another thread, where I explained to someone that there really was no such working alliance between the various parties of the group as that person thought. But the truth is, I have wondered. I know that it is an to ridicule Prok or me or the concepts of justice and equality. I know there is the opportunity to have lots of fun doing the above. But you have ratcheted down on that in the past couple of days. Not nearly so much of the group chat derision going on. Also, you changed the logo to be a mecha something, which is apparently supposed to be you. So in the last couple of days, I've started to think maybe you have some other motivation, something more thoughtful. Maybe you really do want to do something about some of these things, I don't know. I have started to think maybe you do, in some strange way, or at least want in on the action if it's going to be done. Maybe. Doubtful. But I have considered it. Now here you go posting something ludicrous again, about some officer corps.. And people expect me to post about your activities in this group as if you were in any way serious? I really would like to know if you do have some motivation other than the ones I listed above, and I would also like to know: Why do you keep repeating lies? Are you engaged in some kind of satire where repeated lies are acceptable? Because it is not acceptable, even in satire. Why do you do it? coco
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Invect Hasp
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Ignoring this thread wouldn't really hurt anything
09-21-2005 13:29
You can rest pretty well assured that Ulrika knew that people would mistinterpret what "anti-intellectual" meant, and was hoping to create a big boring thread of hostile comments. That's the sort of thing that gets her mojo going. She can find out who opposes her and says they are offended by being called called stupid and then she can be in the position of getting to explain to people what intellectual and anti-intellectual mean and make herself sound real smart, in her own mind. A lot of people will get upset, and that means she wins the forum game. Also, everytime she gets to post, it advertises her government sim project, which I am sure she doesn't mind a bit.
Personally, I recommend that people stop replying to this thread, and instead read a pleasant thread with something interesting in it. The probablity is very high that anything you select to do other than pursue this thread will be a better way to spend your time.
Below is some stuff from the wikipedia on anti-intellectualism.
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Anti-intellectualism is a term that in one sense describes a hostility towards, or mistrust of, those who call themselves intellectuals, and intellectual pursuits. This may be expressed in various ways, such as an attack on the merits of science, education, or literature.
Anti-intellectuals seek to frame themselves as champions of the self-styled "ordinary people", and as advocates of egalitarianism against elitism, especially what they perceive as academic elitism. These critics argue from a perception that educated people form a social class by virtue of their education: that members of this social class tend to talk chiefly to one another, and as such are remote from other points of view, and that members of this social class tend to dominate political discourse about social and other issues.
Anti-intellectualism is also a term used to criticize an educational system's placing little emphasis on academic and intellectual accomplishment or a government's tendency to formulate policies without consultation with authoritative scholarly study on the issues in question.
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A loaded term?
Not surprisingly, intellectuals commonly use allegations of anti-intellectualism as a charge against their critics. Critics of certain intellectuals in turn argue that "anti-intellectualism" is itself a loaded term. The term "intellectual" implies knowledge, wisdom, and intelligence, and thus to be called "anti-intellectual" can often be perceived as meaning that one favours ignorance or stupidity.
Sometimes criticism of intellectuals can take the form of a specific critique of an intellectual's specific field of study or theory. Not all "intellectual" theories are correct, and thus an intellectual's beliefs can be disputed without necessarily being against the larger concept of intellectual study.
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Angel Coral
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Hahaha.. Not
09-21-2005 13:32
What a decidedly unproductive devisive thread. Congrats Ulrika. Wish I could find humor in this. *sighs* Live and learn. *makes note to self: Don't bother replying next time*
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Cocoanut Koala
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09-21-2005 13:34
From: Jauani Wu cocoa, maybe you don't understand the subtleties of the english language. when anshe posts that she quit the group because prok refused to cooperate and was holding the group hostage, it means she was pushed out. along with that i'm sure prok made the usual "go start another group" encouragements she constantly gives us when we tell her we don't want MJW to be a lobby group against aimee's panties. you keep trying to cover up the treachery of labour day weekend. why? When Anshe posts on the SL forums, "I was not pushed out of MJW," specifically in response to your repeated assertions that she was, then I think most people would probably take her and my word for it over your word, especially considering we were the ones who were there, while you weren't around for any of that weekend. coco
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Beau Perkins
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09-21-2005 13:35
From: Angel Coral What a decidedly unproductive devisive thread. Congrats Ulrika. Wish I could find humor in this. *sighs* Live and learn. *makes note to self: Don't bother replying next time* Ulrika, I disagree with Angel. I still have an hour to waste and urge you to start another thread.
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Ulrika Zugzwang
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09-21-2005 13:41
From: Eboni Khan I know you just like to stir the shit, so I am going to assume this is just another shit stirring post. Is there not a little blaze in all of us?  ~Ulrika~
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Lecktor Hannibal
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09-21-2005 13:42
From: Margaret Mfume Maybe we need more forum moderation. Maybe the current moderator is overwhelmed and we'll see a job posting for additional support. Or maybe they (gasp!) need to be replaced. But who could fill this role....I can't think of anyone, can you? I vote for Siggy's dog! He'll fit in beautifully with this crowd. I number myself in the mob.
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Tai Tuppakaka
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09-21-2005 13:42
LOL.
This thread is hilarious. I think many of you need to take a deep breath.
Ulrika seems to me to be a talented person having a lot of fun with her second life. Her talents manifest themselves in many ways. One of the roles she plays (IMO) is performance artist as social gadfly. In that, I think she succeeds brilliantly. You're all reacting exactly as she expected.
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Picabo Hedges
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09-21-2005 13:42
My, what a biased poll in terms of construction, limited option choices and explanatory opening post.
I guess I must be an anti-intellectual because I see absolutely no value in the poll or the thread.
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Jauani Wu
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09-21-2005 13:42
From: Cocoanut Koala When Anshe posts on the SL forums, "I was not pushed out of MJW," specifically in response to your repeated assertions that she was, then I think most people would probably take her and my word for it over your word, especially considering we were the ones who were there, while you weren't around for any of that weekend.
if you can't read betwen the lines, that's not my problem. anshe is gifted with the double entendre. read the content of her post several times and the chat logs you boss is posting on her blog, and you'll see, there is a whole lot of pushing going on. anyway back on topic - MAKE ULRIKA FAMOUS!
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Lecktor Hannibal
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09-21-2005 13:43
From: Lecktor Hannibal I vote for Siggy's dog! He'll fit in beautifully with this crowd. I number myself in the mob. On second thought, I think a jackal would be much more apropo.
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Ingrid Ingersoll
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09-21-2005 13:45
From: Ulrika Zugzwang Is there not a little blaze in all of us?  ~Ulrika~ I don't think anyone wants to hear about your one night stands.
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Lecktor Hannibal
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09-21-2005 13:45
From: Ingrid Ingersoll I don't think anyone wants to hear about your one night stands. *ZING* 
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Memory Harker
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09-21-2005 13:47
My, aren't the geraniums lovely at this time of year ...
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Ulrika Zugzwang
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09-21-2005 13:48
From: Tai Tuppakaka Ulrika seems to me to be a talented person having a lot of fun with her second life. Her talents manifest themselves in many ways. One of the roles she plays (IMO) is performance artist as social gadfly. In that, I think she succeeds brilliantly. You're all reacting exactly as she expected. Shh. Sit back and enjoy it.  ~Ulrika~
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Angel Coral
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09-21-2005 13:52
I understand the reference to Intelligent Design, Beau, I just saw it as means to stir the pot and chose to ignore it. I just wonder how many of us are Pastafarians.  angel
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Snowcrash Hoffman
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09-21-2005 13:54
From: Invect Hasp Not surprisingly, intellectuals commonly use allegations of anti-intellectualism as a charge against their critics. Critics of certain intellectuals in turn argue that "anti-intellectualism" is itself a loaded term. The term "intellectual" implies knowledge, wisdom, and intelligence, and thus to be called "anti-intellectual" can often be perceived as meaning that one favours ignorance or stupidity.
Sometimes criticism of intellectuals can take the form of a specific critique of an intellectual's specific field of study or theory. Not all "intellectual" theories are correct, and thus an intellectual's beliefs can be disputed without necessarily being against the larger concept of intellectual study. Let me list you the fallacies in Ulrika's post and why it only serves as a trollic post: Fallacy #1: Ulrika is an intellectual Fallacy #2: Everything Ulrika believes or proposes are supported by intellectuals Fallacy #3: if fallacy #1 and #2 are true, then it is taken that everyone who opposses Ulrika must be anti-intellectual. Fallacy #4: is based on fallacy #1, 2 and 3, Ulrika a spokesperson for intellectual can call everyone who is against her anti-intellectual and get away with it, because by this time this fallacy is accepted as truth without any basis whatsoever. These are well known strategies used by politicians and those we like to assume power over arguments, once they realize discourse alone will not get them what they want, and hold no merit. As such, discusing her trollic post only helps her to further establish her fallacies.
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Margaret Mfume
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09-21-2005 13:59
From: Lecktor Hannibal On second thought, I think a jackal would be much more apropo. Nothing personal but I disagree with you. {Jane, you ignorant slut!} Sorry, I don't know where that came from. Inner voices or something, I guess. To continue...ahem..a moderator needs to be able to rise above the crowd and Siggy's dog is a real crowd pleaser. Don't you just love the way short dogs bite at ankles? I wonder if it can jump high enough to bite Siggy in the a....
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JackBurton Faulkland
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09-21-2005 14:02
From: Kendra Bancroft Why do you consider the term anti-intellectual to be insulting? The term does not imply that one has less intellect. Anti-intellectual , in this case, refers to people who argue their points through emotion rather than intellect. Judging from the above post one might assume you deal more in emotion. Sorry I may be not as smart as many you pretend to be but doesnt "anti" mean "a person who is opposed to something" which would then give the meaning of "Anti-intellectual" to be "a person who opposes intelligence". Now an "Anti-intelligent" person could not be "Intellegent" or they would be opposed to themselves. By labeling someone as "Anti-intellectual" you are essentialy labeling them as to have no intellect. I think that makes sense lol.
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Kendra Bancroft
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09-21-2005 14:03
From: Snowcrash Hoffman Let me list you the fallacies in Ulrika's post and why it only serves as a trollic post:
Fallacy #1: Ulrika is an intellectual
Fallacy #2: Everything Ulrika believes or proposes are supported by intellectuals
Fallacy #3: if fallacy #1 and #2 are true, then it is taken that everyone who opposses Ulrika must be anti-intellectual.
Fallacy #4: is based on fallacy #1, 2 and 3, Ulrika a spokesperson for intellectual can call everyone who is against her anti-intellectual and get away with it, because by this time this fallacy is accepted as truth without any basis whatsoever.
These are well known strategies used by politicians and those we like to assume power over arguments, once they realize discourse alone will not get them what they want, and hold no merit. As such, discusing her trollic post only helps her to further establish her fallacies. Fancy footwork, but this isn't even remotely what Ulrika said. You're setting up your own false syllogism as if it were her's. Ulrika's syllogism went as follows: 1) People are responding in anti-intellectual fashion to many intellectual proposals lately. 2) intellectual proposals are often responsable for positive change in SL 3) anti-intellectuals are slowing the progress of SL.
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Kendra Bancroft
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09-21-2005 14:04
From: JackBurton Faulkland Sorry I may be not as smart as many you pretend to be but doesnt "anti" mean "a person who is opposed to something" which would then give the meaning of "Anti-intellectual" to be "a person who opposes intelligence". Now an "Anti-intelligent" person could not be "Intellegent" or they would be opposed to themselves. By labeling someone as "Anti-intellectual" you are essentialy labeling them as to have no intellect. I think that makes sense lol. No. Because intellectualism and intelligence are not synonyms.
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