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Anti-Intellectual Lobbying

Lecktor Hannibal
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09-21-2005 14:05
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Nothing personal but I disagree with you.

{Jane, you ignorant slut!}

Sorry, I don't know where that came from. Inner voices or something, I guess.

To continue...ahem..a moderator needs to be able to rise above the crowd and Siggy's dog is a real crowd pleaser. Don't you just love the way short dogs bite at ankles? I wonder if it can jump high enough to bite Siggy in the a....

I'm sure he can since Siggy is a 3'2" troglodyte genie.
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Ingrid Ingersoll
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09-21-2005 14:06
From: Kendra Bancroft
No. Because intellectualism and intelligence are not synonyms.



It really depends on what your definition of "is" is.
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Lecktor Hannibal
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09-21-2005 14:07
From: Ingrid Ingersoll
It really depends on what your definition of "is" is.

They have not defined it yet.
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Kendra Bancroft
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09-21-2005 14:07
From: Ingrid Ingersoll
It really depends on what your definition of "is" is.



THAT at least would be an intellectual debate ;)
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Snowcrash Hoffman
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09-21-2005 14:10
From: Kendra Bancroft
Fancy footwork, but this isn't even remotely what Ulrika said.
You're setting up your own false syllogism as if it were her's.

Ulrika's syllogism went as follows:

1) People are responding in anti-intellectual fashion to many intellectual proposals lately.

2) intellectual proposals are often responsable for positive change in SL

3) anti-intellectuals are slowing the progress of SL.


Bah! you can modify the Fallacies as: change Ulrika with Ulrika and X, Y, Z. Nothing changes in the fallacies. Of course once the fallacies I listed are accepted you can extend to the above fallacies:

Fallacy #5 : intellectual proposals are often responsable for positive change in SL
Fallacy #6: anti-intellectuals are slowing the progress of SL
and so on....

Notice, how the key questions that starts these fallacies are conveniently avoided:

1. Where is the proof that the people who posted these were intellectuals?
2. How was it established that those who oppose them are anti-intellectuals? (I challenged her for a scientific evidence for this)
3. Where is the data demonstrating that these proposals by self-proclaimed intellectuals responsible for positive change in SL?
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09-21-2005 14:16
Just a reminder to please refrain from personally attacking one another in the SL Forums. Further inflammatory remarks will cause this thread to be closed and possible disciplinary action.
Dianne Mechanique
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09-21-2005 14:18
From: Snowcrash Hoffman
Let me list you the fallacies in Ulrika's post and why it only serves as a trollic post:

Fallacy #1: Ulrika is an intellectual

Fallacy #2: Everything Ulrika believes or proposes are supported by intellectuals

Fallacy #3: if fallacy #1 and #2 are true, then it is taken that everyone who opposses Ulrika must be anti-intellectual.

Fallacy #4: is based on fallacy #1, 2 and 3, Ulrika a spokesperson for intellectual can call everyone who is against her anti-intellectual and get away with it, because by this time this fallacy is accepted as truth without any basis whatsoever.

These are well known strategies used by politicians and those we like to assume power over arguments, once they realize discourse alone will not get them what they want, and hold no merit. As such, discusing her trollic post only helps her to further establish her fallacies.
Ah, but #1 is actually true, and even though #2 is false, 3 and 4 fail because of it.

So your whole post hinges on "Ulrika is not an intellectual" which even if you dont agree with her, is patently false. This really makes your whole post about not much at all, (except that it's clear that you don't like Ulrika.)

You might just as well have posted... "I don't like Ulrika!"
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JackBurton Faulkland
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09-21-2005 14:22
From: Kendra Bancroft
No. Because intellectualism and intelligence are not synonyms.

Ok fair enough but given this definition of an intellectual my argument still holds true with interchanging "intelligence" with "intellectual".
in·tel·lec·tu·al ( P ) Pronunciation Key (ntl-kch-l)
adj.

1.)Of or relating to the intellect.
2.)Rational rather than emotional.
3.)Appealing to or engaging the intellect: an intellectual book; an intellectual problem.

4.)Having or showing intellect, especially to a high degree. See Synonyms at intelligent.
5.)Given to activities or pursuits that require exercise of the intellect.
Surreal Farber
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09-21-2005 14:23
(1) I am grateful that Ulrika and I do not live in the same country, state, county, or city because having to deal with this real life would suck.

On a side note.. hey AMERICANS... while we waste time on this vapor political virtual bull shit, our real life civil rights, liberties, etc. are being stripped away. Don't lose sight of what really matters.
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Dianne Mechanique
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09-21-2005 14:25
From: Julian Fate
"Ulrika, you are so right about whatever it is you are saying. All the people who say you are arrogant and self-absorbed are either jealous or to dumb to know how to agree."
Interesting fact...

all Neualtenburg residents have to recite the above pledge every morning in the assembly or we no longer get free tickets to the Octoberfest. It's also the first thing we say in church before the services start.

I've pointed out to her that this is unconstitutional, but hey, it's become a sort of a tradition at this point.

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Tai Tuppakaka
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09-21-2005 14:29
From: JackBurton Faulkland
Ok fair enough but given this definition of an intellectual my argument still holds true with interchanging "intelligence" with "intellectual".
in·tel·lec·tu·al ( P ) Pronunciation Key (ntl-kch-l)
adj.

1.)Of or relating to the intellect.
2.)Rational rather than emotional.
3.)Appealing to or engaging the intellect: an intellectual book; an intellectual problem.

4.)Having or showing intellect, especially to a high degree. See Synonyms at intelligent.
5.)Given to activities or pursuits that require exercise of the intellect.


Copying and pasting from a dictionary doesn't constitute a strong argument to me. What are you trying to say? Your own evidence there states that intellectualism relates to the rational rather than emotional.
Tai Tuppakaka
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09-21-2005 14:31
From: Dianne Mechanique
Interesting fact...

all Neualtenburg residents have to recite the above pledge every morning in the assembly or we no longer get free tickets to the Octoberfest. It's also the first thing we say in church before the services start.

I've pointed out to her that this is unconstitutional, but hey, it's become a sort of a tradition at this point.

:)


I can get a free ticket to the Oktoberfest? No one ever told me that. That must be in the newbie orientation session that I missed.
Pendari Lorentz
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09-21-2005 14:34
From: Surreal Farber
(1) I am grateful that Ulrika and I do not live in the same country, state, county, or city because having to deal with this real life would suck.

On a side note.. hey AMERICANS... while we waste time on this vapor political virtual bull shit, our real life civil rights, liberties, etc. are being stripped away. Don't lose sight of what really matters.



I'm just curiuos, what makes you think Ulrika is not an American? Honestly just curious where that came from. :)


EDIT TO ADD: Oh, and LOL Dianne!! :D
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JackBurton Faulkland
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09-21-2005 14:40
From: Tai Tuppakaka
Copying and pasting from a dictionary doesn't constitute a strong argument to me. What are you trying to say? Your own evidence there states that intellectualism relates to the rational rather than emotional.


So because something is in a Dictionary or any other book for that matter it cant be used to support an argument? HAHA! I wish i was like you and never read a book or any other kind of information and was just blessed with all world knowledge from birth. lol

and by the way you know that it is a multiple def. I suggest you read it again. lol
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09-21-2005 14:45
From: Ulrika Zugzwang
Yes Kendra. I'm referring not to intelligence but to those who oppose intellectual approaches. You are exactly right. :)

~Ulrika~


It's also purely rhetorical and a meaningless thing to say. Many who oppose your ideas do so in a very intellectual way and have arrived at their positions through much thought and debate. You can "intellectualize" this however you like but in the end you've still said basically that anyone who doesn't agree with you is either a moron or has something wrong with them. :p Entertaining, yes, but also without merit... just like a politician. ;)
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Lecktor Hannibal
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09-21-2005 14:46
From: Chip Midnight
... just like a politician. ;)

I think this may have been the endstate :p
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09-21-2005 14:51
PAGING HUNS VALEN TO THREAD #62446

(because he always has something cool to say regarding these repetitive silly egocentric topics)
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09-21-2005 14:54
Huns does say some mighty funny things at times. Even his name is funny if you say it over and over and over. Huns. Huns. Huns Huns Huns Huns Huns Huns Huns. See how it gets funnier and funnier.

Hey Psyra! How's the Birdman of SLAlcatraz doing today?
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09-21-2005 14:55
Sigh... :rolleyes: (And Yes Ulrika - I'm teasing with you)

I know, it's scary, you've seen it before on all the fox news channels.

People just like me being interviewed after a tornado.

<---- It's Rose the SL Anti-Intellectual.
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09-21-2005 14:56
I am against terrorism. If you disagree with me in any way, then you must be a terrorist.
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09-21-2005 14:57
From: Ulrika Zugzwang
It seems like most progressive causes in SL (Bill of Rights, player-run moderation, reformation of land auctions, binding democratic votes) are opposed not by the Lindens or by special interest groups (land barons, forum junkies) that might suffer from the changes but by a crowd of anti-intellectuals, who irrationally resist change.

Much like scientific education in the U.S. is hobbled by those who push for the teaching of irrational theories like "intelligent design", is SL's growth being slowed by a similar group of anti-intellectuals?

~Ulrika~


Nice spin, but not quite correct (at least not in this case). Were this actually a country/nation, these 'progressive causes' would have both merit and legitimacy. Since this is, in fact, a corporation and a product offering, they have neither.

Customers of a service product have the rights accorded to them by the laws of their respective states/countries, waived or abridged as per click-through agreement (EULA), no more, no less.

If you want to see this change, you need to lobby the courts, not Linden Labs.
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09-21-2005 14:57
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I am against terrorism. If you disagree with me in any way, then you must be a terrorist.

GEORGE! /wave
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09-21-2005 14:58
From: Chip Midnight
It's also purely rhetorical and a meaningless thing to say. Many who oppose your ideas do so in a very intellectual way and have arrived at their positions through much thought and debate. You can "intellectualize" this however you like but in the end you've still said basically that anyone who doesn't agree with you is either a moron or has something wrong with them. :p Entertaining, yes, but also without merit... just like a politician. ;)


Well stated, sir. You are a scholar and a gentleman. Huzzah!
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09-21-2005 15:02
From: Lecktor Hannibal
GEORGE! /wave


Don't misunderestimate me Lecktor! :P
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09-21-2005 15:03
Sorry didn't mean to out your RL info. Spank me now? :o
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