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DogSpot Boxer
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09-24-2005 07:05
From: Cristiano Midnight
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Make whatever assumptions you like about my motives. But you are, in fact, wrong. This is not about retribution for getting a warning. If I was interested in that, there are far better and far less public ways to deal with that.

This is about standing up to the bullshit and letting people know that I'm not taking shit from them. You and I both know who these people are and if you don't simply look at the bullshit thrown at me in JUST THIS THREAD.

As far as being public about ARs, you assume too much. The point of doing so in this thread is to make sure that people know that I am serious about ARing things.

Oh and to the rest of you getting a chuckle about my previous post about people running home to mommy when their feelings are hurt, I guess you never heard of fighting fire with fire. I realize that some of you won't get it until you are made to feel the pain that you inflict on others.

Mean people suck. And we all know who those "people" are.
Cienna Samiam
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09-24-2005 08:06
From: DogSpot Boxer
Where would that be.

And didya really need to imply that I'm a fool?

Really?


You are very quickly and efficiently setting yourself up. Just don't be like some of the others and act surprised when you finally realise what you did. I just hate it when people announce their own short-sightedness like that.

And I wouldn't imply you were a fool if you weren't so busy acting like one.

So yes, I admit, you've caught me out, I have a tendency to call it like I see it. Oh well.
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DogSpot Boxer
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09-24-2005 08:36
From: Cienna Samiam
You are very quickly and efficiently setting yourself up. Just don't be like some of the others and act surprised when you finally realise what you did. I just hate it when people announce their own short-sightedness like that.

And I wouldn't imply you were a fool if you weren't so busy acting like one.

So yes, I admit, you've caught me out, I have a tendency to call it like I see it. Oh well.


I call them as I see them as well. And based on your recent posts, it seems to me that you are part of the problem here.

But that said, I still don't know what I'm "setting myself up for".

I'm already being bent over and given the business, so that's right out.

And I haven't done anything here to warrant any moderator action.

So, please enlighten me.
Chip Midnight
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09-24-2005 08:53
From: Cienna Samiam
Heh. Well, the difference is, as others have pointed out, not to take everything personally. At some point the logic of things holds sway, to wit -- very few people here actually know one another and by definition, that means practically nothing said here is personal.

People swat at thoughts and ideas and the implication of the perspective that lies behind them. Sometimes pointedly, sometimes not.

It is the nature of the 'society' of these places.

Those that understand this on more than a conceptual level know better than to assume intent, motivation, or purpose.:)


That was very well said. New forum members should be sent that by PM and have to sign it before being allowed to post. :D
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Margaret Mfume
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09-24-2005 09:01
From: Chip Midnight
That was very well said. New forum members should be sent that by PM and have to sign it before being allowed to post. :D

Or they could having everyone sign on to the guidelines and replace the following with it:

Welcome to the Second Life Forums! These forums are here for you, the Residents of Second Life, to discuss your ideas, questions, and projects and to share what you’ve learned.
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Cienna Samiam
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09-24-2005 09:08
From: DogSpot Boxer
I call them as I see them as well. And based on your recent posts, it seems to me that you are part of the problem here.


If by 'part of the problem' you mean 'someone who thinks you're behaving like a spoiled brat because you're not automagically popular and well liked', then you'd be right.

Stop sniveling, suck it up, and move on. Sheesh.

From: DogSpot Boxer
But that said, I still don't know what I'm "setting myself up for".


Don't sweat it. You will.

From: DogSpot Boxer
I'm already being bent over and given the business, so that's right out.


Hardly. More like you walked in, took a dump in the middle of the floor, and started insisting everyone tell you how like roses it smells.

From: DogSpot Boxer
And I haven't done anything here to warrant any moderator action.


Seems to me this is an untruth, by your own account.

If you're really this dense, there's no hope for you. But hey, you can have the last word on this one... so enjoy. For my part, you're categorized and dismissed. (shrug)
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Cocoanut Koala
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09-24-2005 09:14
From: DogSpot Boxer
I call them as I see them as well. And based on your recent posts, it seems to me that you are part of the problem here.

But that said, I still don't know what I'm "setting myself up for".

I'm already being bent over and given the business, so that's right out.

And I haven't done anything here to warrant any moderator action.

So, please enlighten me.

I will.

Some also try to SCARE you. They will say you are "on your way to being banned" and such. Even contact you in game. Make no bones about the fact that when that happens to you (as if it were inevitable) they will be dancing on your grave.

And dancing on the grave they do! You should have seen the celebration after Prok was banned from the forums. They only wish the Lindens hadn't (very sensibly) let Prok slip under the wire regarding the new rule they immediately instituted after him making a person banned from the forums also banned from the game.

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Cienna Samiam
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09-24-2005 09:19
From: Cocoanut Koala
I will.

Some also try to SCARE you. They will say you are "on your way to being banned" and such. Even contact you in game. Make no bones about the fact that when that happens to you (as if it were inevitable) they will be dancing on your grave.

And dancing on the grave they do! You should have seen the celebration after Prok was banned from the forums. They only wish the Lindens hadn't (very sensibly) let Prok slip under the wire regarding the new rule they immediately instituted after him making a person banned from the forums also banned from the game.


Yes, it is truly horrible how some people will attempt to keep you from running off the cliff. I mean, what on earth possesses from people to try and help you avoid being banned. The very idea that people who have been here, seen it happen, and know how it starts, proceeds, and ends would dare to try and counsel you. The nerve!

But yes, I must admit, when someone is so foolish as to thumb their nose at efforts to help, I really do laugh at them when they wind up precisely where I said they would.
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Chip Midnight
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09-24-2005 09:23
From: Cocoanut Koala
I will.

Some also try to SCARE you. They will say you are "on your way to being banned" and such. Even contact you in game. Make no bones about the fact that when that happens to you (as if it were inevitable) they will be dancing on your grave.


Please post examples of this happening. You're doing people a large disservice by trying to convince them that the forums are something other than what they actually are. There are a lot of strong personalities here and a lot of sarcasm, but there is NOT a culture of attacking new posters in any systematic way. What there IS instead are people who are easily intimidated who project their fear onto everyone else and see the forums quite wrongly as some kind of predatory free for all. It's not that and never has been. Human discourse can be messy. Go to any forum on the net and spend some time and you should start to put SL's forum into perspective... it's better than most.
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DogSpot Boxer
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09-24-2005 09:25
From: Cienna Samiam
If by 'part of the problem' you mean 'someone who thinks you're behaving like a spoiled brat because you're not automagically popular and well liked', then you'd be right.


No, what I mean is attempting to run me off by trying to scare me with some vague threat of something bad happening.

From: someone
Don't sweat it. You will.


Is this a threat of some sort?

Is there some reason you won't pony up and say what I'm supposed to trembling about?

From: someone
Hardly. More like you walked in, took a dump in the middle of the floor, and started insisting everyone tell you how like roses it smells.


I'm not at all surprised by your (incorrect) interpretation.

From: someone
Seems to me this is an untruth, by your own account.


Sorry. What I meant was _in this thread_.

From: someone
If you're really this dense, there's no hope for you. But hey, you can have the last word on this one... so enjoy. For my part, you're categorized and dismissed. (shrug)


My heart is broken. I'd have to respect you before this would make any difference to me. And since you've been _nothing_ but hostile (as have several others here, proving my point) there will be no respect coming your way from me.

Buh bye.
DogSpot Boxer
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09-24-2005 09:28
From: Chip Midnight
Please post examples of this happening. You're doing people a large disservice by trying to convince them that the forums are something other than what they actually are. There are a lot of strong personalities here and a lot of sarcasm, but there is NOT a culture of attacking new posters in any systematic way. What there IS instead are people who are easily intimidated who project their fear onto everyone else and see the forums quite wrongly as some kind of predatory free for all. It's not that and never has been. Human discourse can be messy. Go to any forum on the net and spend some time and you should start to put SL's forum into perspective... it's better than most.


Chip in this very thread one person has been making comments about how "I'm setting myself up" for something, but then refuses to say what this is, despite being asked a number of times to do so.

Clearly, I can't read someone's mind, but it feels like a vague threat to me.

I won't mention any names, because, well, you know..
Cienna Samiam
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09-24-2005 09:29
From: Chip Midnight
Please post examples of this happening. You're doing people a large disservice by trying to convince them that the forums are something other than what they actually are. There are a lot of strong personalities here and a lot of sarcasm, but there is NOT a culture of attacking new posters in any systematic way. What there IS instead are people who are easily intimidated who project their fear onto everyone else and see the forums quite wrongly as some kind of predatory free for all. It's not that and never has been. Human discourse can be messy. Go to any forum on the net and spend some time and you should start to put SL's forum into perspective... it's better than most.


The inability to maintain perspective is precisely the problem. Well said, Chip.

Of course you do realise that anyone who is afflicted with the problem is unable to see, accept or confirm it. Kind of sad, really.

And yes, the manner in which some people try and run others off or intimidate them into following them for help and safety is both evil and misleading.

My comfort lies in the knowledge that most people are too smart for fall for such obvious foolishness.
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DogSpot Boxer
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09-24-2005 09:30
From: Cienna Samiam
Yes, it is truly horrible how some people will attempt to keep you from running off the cliff. I mean, what on earth possesses from people to try and help you avoid being banned. The very idea that people who have been here, seen it happen, and know how it starts, proceeds, and ends would dare to try and counsel you. The nerve!


"Counseling" would be taking the time to PM someone and talk to them. What I'm reading in this thread isn't counseling, it's sarcastic bashing.

If you were truly interested in "counseling", you'd be handling it differently.

It is, at the very least, disingenuous for you to claim that you're attempting to "counsel" me.

My PMs are turned on, I look forward to my session, Dr. Freud. ;-)
DogSpot Boxer
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09-24-2005 09:32
From: Cienna Samiam

And yes, the manner in which some people try and run others off or intimidate them into following them for help and safety is both evil and misleading.


Pot, meet kettle.
Cienna Samiam
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09-24-2005 09:34
From: DogSpot Boxer
Pot, meet kettle.


I regret the need for this post, but apparently you missed it.... By 'categorized and dismissed', I mean that I will no longer reply to you, acknowledge you, or in any manner interact with you.

Hereonout, know that any post you make directed at me is ignored as the foolish blithering of a foolish person.

Thanks. :)
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Chip Midnight
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09-24-2005 09:35
How to create a self-fulfilling prophecy...

1) claim that all the forum regulars are snotty bastards who are out to get you
2) watch offended forum regulars take issue with the suggestion that they are snotty bastards
3) Take offense at their responses to your troll
4) OMG you're bing attacked! Cry foul and claim how you've just proven your premise.
5) Rinse. Repeat.
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DogSpot Boxer
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09-24-2005 09:37
From: Cienna Samiam
I regret the need for this post, but apparently you missed it.... By 'categorized and dismissed', I mean that I will no longer reply to you, acknowledge you, or in any manner interact with you.


I don't care if you respond or not. I am simply responding to your posts. Honestly, I don't have much regard for you anyway, so you not responding to my posts isn't a big deal.

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Hereonout, know that any post you make directed at me is ignored as the foolish blithering of a foolish person.


Nice personal attack. I won't respond in kind, however.
blaze Spinnaker
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09-24-2005 09:41
It really makes me shake my head that people don't decry these people who regularly take opportunities to personally attack individuals, but will happily decry others who merely speak contrarian and address group thinking and mindsets.

I mean, apparently around here it's completely OK to be go on the attack against someone specific but if you want to address what you feel is a cultural problem -- it's like open season.
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Chip Midnight
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09-24-2005 09:43
From: blaze Spinnaker
I mean, apparently around here it's completely OK to be go on the attack against someone specific but if you want to address what you feel is a cultural problem -- it's like open season.


Open season for what? To disagree with you? Yep. It's always open season to disagree, otherwise it WOULD be group think. See how that works?
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Cocoanut Koala
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09-24-2005 09:44
From: Chip Midnight
Please post examples of this happening. You're doing people a large disservice by trying to convince them that the forums are something other than what they actually are. There are a lot of strong personalities here and a lot of sarcasm, but there is NOT a culture of attacking new posters in any systematic way. What there IS instead are people who are easily intimidated who project their fear onto everyone else and see the forums quite wrongly as some kind of predatory free for all. It's not that and never has been. Human discourse can be messy. Go to any forum on the net and spend some time and you should start to put SL's forum into perspective... it's better than most.

I agree, it is not systematic. It's more of a habit, and not everyone's habit.

I am not easily intimidated. OBVIOUSLY. I don't have fear and I don't project fear.

I want - and expect - what the TOS tells me I can expect. The ability to post and have your opinions and posts treated with respect. Not derision, ridicule, snide superiority, name-calling, lies, or any of the rest. I want it for me, and I want it for everyone else.

If you haven't seen this going on and need me to point it out to you, then you haven't been reading the forums very much.

I have been to, and participated in, many, many forums on the internet.

coco

P.S. Post examples of it happening? Weren't you here for the shunning? Weren't you here for the celebratory dancing on the grave? Haven't I pointed out examples of this sort of thing all this time? (And still only skimming the surface.)

P.S. Neither is DogSpot easily intimidated. The ones who ARE you don't HEAR FROM. And that is the point!!!
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Cienna Samiam
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09-24-2005 09:50
Attention whores are never easily intimidated. It is one of their defining traits.
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09-24-2005 09:52
From: Cienna Samiam
Attention whores are never easily intimidated. It is one of their defining traits.



Still just attacking people. How about you try a rational thought?
DogSpot Boxer
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09-24-2005 09:53
From: Chip Midnight
Open season for what? To disagree with you? Yep. It's always open season to disagree, otherwise it WOULD be group think. See how that works?


Chip, there's disagreement and there's what we've seen in this thread. I have been [bold]scrupulous[/bold] in refraining from making personal attacks or otherwise violating TOS in my comments in this thread.

The same cannot be said about a number of other regulars who have used this thread to attack me. I'm not going to enumerate these, but if you read the thread, you'll see that it, in fact, has occured and you'll also see that it's the typical contingent of people doing it.

Either personal attacks are ok or they are not ok, regardless of context. I don't see anybody here calling those people to task for those comments (except some of the other pariahs here).

I take away some possible conclusions from this.

One is that personal attacks are acceptable in certain contexts (something I reject) or that it's ok if you're one of a certain select set of people.
DogSpot Boxer
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09-24-2005 09:53
From: JackBurton Faulkland
Still just attacking people. How about you try a rational thought?


Perfect example of my point, Jack.
Cienna Samiam
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09-24-2005 09:54
From: JackBurton Faulkland
Still just attacking people. How about you try a rational thought?


Kindly research the difference between self-identification and indictment. When you understand the difference, feel free to correct yourself.
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