Abortion "rights" unpopular

Holy fuck how did I miss that? Ok Kevn produce a link to that 'factoid'.

Not at all. Black people also were considered not to be human, and were killed because some people felt they could kill blacks morally, because it was like killing an animal.

The same has been the case with abortion. Pro-abortionists seek to dehumanize the humans at the earliest stage of life so they can claim to be moral in supporting the killing of these non-humans, or "mass of cells" as you have put it.

So wait....whether it's a baby is dependent on whether the woman KNOWS she's pregnant? That's very logical! You know some people have gone into the third trimester without being aware of their pregnancy, right? So it magically becomes a baby as soon as the woman knows she's pregnant?

That seems to be how liberals define it. I was being sarcastic. It's a baby at conception to me.

Zogby is a well known Christian Fundamentalist company and well known for streaching numbers a bit

No, it's just that many people use science to define it, instead of you.

That is if you believe the Propaganda the Fundamentalist dish out

Really? That's funny, he's a liberal Democrat

Women who want the child call it a baby. Savy?

Yeah, I have to back Kevn on this one. Attacking the pollster isn't really logical, at least here; going after how people use the numbers is OK, though.

CNN/Gallop has the numbers a lot closer


Zogby is a fundamentalist friendly company. its the one that many family rights hate groups and other fundamentalist groups turn to when they want a poll that faviors their views.

Yep - all life is sacred, Kevn. Perhaps if you believe that you should go out and get yourself infected by a particularly virulent virus, so that you can have the pleasure of knowing your body is hosting lots and lots of life, and thus fulfilling God's plan.

Kevn, people who really love their cats and dogs call them their 'babies' and refer to themselves as mom and dad.

That doesn't make it scientifically so.

Neat! That would kill two birds with one stone --as Kevn could then also observe that virus evolving!!

Brilliant!

The United States Supreme Court has ruled otherwise

odd, i was just thinking about this at lunch. Are you a vegan, Kevn? I'm curious about that.

Then why does the Fundamentalist run to them when they want a poll that shows their point of view as winning???

Don't you dare say that about widdle Sammiepoo!!!

I don't extend a right to life for plants, if that's where you are headed

My car and boat are my babies too, but not human beings, see the difference?

We know when you say Liberal you mean Democrats and there is absolutly nothing wrong with being a Liberal....

I wasn't going to get that far, no Just curious about your views on, say, PETA, for example.

As always, my feelings on abortion are mixed... on the one hand, calling a zygote nothing but a clump of cells strikes me as a terribly extremist attitude (the germ plasm inside an acorn is nothing more than a clump of cells, either, but it's not going to be a human someday). On the other hand, I'm anti-overpopulation and anti-back-alley clinic. And on the other other hand, I don't pretend to be wise enough to be able to dictate an answer to everyone about the subject.

Nobody is infallible, opinions (both on a personal and societal level) change. Even those of religious organizations... it's only fair to note that, yes, the Supreme Court made that ruling, and also many churches justified ownership of slaves by proclaiming black people to be the descendants of Ham, whom God had made dark of skin and subservient to his brothers for having looked upon Noah in his drunkenness, or somesuch. There were politicians, lawmakers, and evangelists supporting slavery, just as there were members of all walks of life opposing it. Today we look back on the issue as pretty cut-and-dried, and are (or at least most of us are) somewhat astonished that anyone could have supported such vile behavior.

As far as the thread's stated topic... I doubt we'll see abortion used as a central campaign platform in the near future. It's a more viscerally controversial topic than, say, the human rights violations at Abu Ghraib, one that strikes closer to home, and one more likely to backfire on any politician, whether they be left, right, or center in their stated view.

PETA? People Eating Tasty Animals?

How do you know? As you pointed out , since we once considered "black people" to be only 3/5 of a human almost anything we don't consider human might actually be human!

I've decided your car and boat, according to the gospel of the Velveteen Rabbit, have through your affection become human.