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Kevn Klein
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03-30-2006 10:43
From: Kendra Bancroft
I didn't say it was.

No one is denying her the rights to her body, except maybe as it pertains to drug use or suicide, the fetus isn't her body. So as long as she leaves the fetus alone we have no issue.
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03-30-2006 10:46
From: Kevn Klein
No one is denying her the rights to her body, except maybe as it pertains to drug use or suicide, the fetus isn't her body. So as long as she leaves the fetus alone we have no issue.



Until it's a life-form that is viable without it's host, it's a symbiote. The host has the right to decide for herself what is and is not using her body.

So in fact you ARE denying her rights to her own body.
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03-30-2006 10:50
From: Satu Moreau
And in a civilized culture, shouldn't all lives be protected and given the right to have a chance at life?................ I'm left to wonder, where is the compassion and devotion in this human world anymore.



So, a 14 y/o is raped by her uncle let's say, shouldn't her life be protected and given the right to have a chance at life, by having an abortion? Where is YOUR compassion?
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Satu Moreau
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03-30-2006 10:52
From: Kendra Bancroft
Until it's a life-form that is viable without it's host, it's a symbiote. The host has the right to decide for herself what is and is not using her body.

So in fact you ARE denying her rights to her own body.


You speak of it more as a parasite than a symbiote. That "symbiote" is a child, a human life, whether it is able to live on it's own or not. A infant even born already cannot live without a parent's care for it's every single need and as such would be classified as a symbiote by your standards. If you went by how independant it is, then it would be legal to kill even a child already born, even one what, 5? 6 years old? Even teenagers are largely dependant on the support of their parents, though they can take care of their own basic needs. This would also bring into question the elderlies' rights to life, many in care of nurses or family, even plenty of them unable to take care of their own basic needs such as feeding themselves, bathing, requiring assistance to make it to the bathroom.
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03-30-2006 10:52
Now, WHERE ARE THESE POLITICIANS WHO ARE USING ABORTION RIGHTS AS THEIR PLATFORM?????????????????????????????????????????????????????
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Kevn Klein
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03-30-2006 10:52
From: Kendra Bancroft
Until it's a life-form that is viable without it's host, it's a symbiote. The host has the right to decide for herself what is and is not using her body.

So in fact you ARE denying her rights to her own body.

No, her body isn't taken from her. She can do as she pleases as long as no one is harmed. She can't use her body to drive drunk, someone might die.

What thing is she being denied? Her body is there. Her freedom to go where she will is in tact. Are you saying her regular routine is to get her uterus scraped, but that is being denied?
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03-30-2006 10:54
From: Sally Rosebud
Now, WHERE ARE THESE POLITICIANS WHO ARE USING ABORTION RIGHTS AS THEIR PLATFORM?????????????????????????????????????????????????????

None right now, that's the point, it's not popular any more. That shows the fact liberals do use it, but only if it helps them win.
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03-30-2006 10:55
From: Satu Moreau
You speak of it more as a parasite than a symbiote. That "symbiote" is a child, a human life, whether it is able to live on it's own or not. A infant even born already cannot live without a parent's care for it's every single need and as such would be classified as a symbiote by your standards. If you went by how independant it is, then it would be legal to kill even a child already born, even one what, 5? 6 years old? Even teenagers are largely dependant on the support of their parents, though they can take care of their own basic needs. This would also bring into question the elderlies' rights to life, many in care of nurses or family, even plenty of them unable to take care of their own basic needs such as feeding themselves, bathing, requiring assistance to make it to the bathroom.


A child is over one year of age.
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Sally Rosebud
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03-30-2006 10:57
From: Kevn Klein
None right now, that's the point, it's not popular any more. That shows the fact liberals do use it, but only if it helps them win.


When ever has that been the main platform?

Proof? You do realize all the political parties use it, right?
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Kendra Bancroft
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03-30-2006 10:57
From: Satu Moreau
You speak of it more as a parasite than a symbiote. That "symbiote" is a child, a human life, whether it is able to live on it's own or not. A infant even born already cannot live without a parent's care for it's every single need and as such would be classified as a symbiote by your standards. If you went by how independant it is, then it would be legal to kill even a child already born, even one what, 5? 6 years old? Even teenagers are largely dependant on the support of their parents, though they can take care of their own basic needs. This would also bring into question the elderlies' rights to life, many in care of nurses or family, even plenty of them unable to take care of their own basic needs such as feeding themselves, bathing, requiring assistance to make it to the bathroom.



No. It's a POTENTIAL human life. Big difference. Don't tell me what my definitions for viable are. Who the hell are you?
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03-30-2006 10:58
From: Sally Rosebud
A child is over one year of age.


A child is the offspring of two people. No matter the age. I see people all the time look at an adult and say "Oh! You're so and so's kid/child". I believe "toddler" is the term for a child over a year? Before that it's infant, before that it's newborn. All of them refer to babies.
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03-30-2006 10:58
From: Kevn Klein
No, her body isn't taken from her. She can do as she pleases as long as no one is harmed. She can't use her body to drive drunk, someone might die.

What thing is she being denied? Her body is there. Her freedom to go where she will is in tact. Are you saying her regular routine is to get her uterus scraped, but that is being denied?



I'm saying it's none of your fucking business.
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03-30-2006 11:02
From: Kendra Bancroft
No. It's a POTENTIAL human life. Big difference. Don't tell me what my definitions for viable are. Who the hell are you?


OHHH. Potential human life. So you are potentially a contributing member of society? So the old lady in a nursing home who can't get up from her own bed is a potential human life? She has no more ability than a fetus... But it's the same organism, the same composition, a functioning brain, all the organs in some state of formation or decay... So that man doesn't have his hip anymore, or this one's heart doesn't work on it's own anymore. So this person is missing a kidney, or that one had it's appendix removed. Because it lacks a few parts it's not human YET or anymore?
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03-30-2006 11:08
From: Satu Moreau
OHHH. Potential human life. So you are potentially a contributing member of society? So the old lady in a nursing home who can't get up from her own bed is a potential human life? She has no more ability than a fetus... But it's the same organism, the same composition, a functioning brain, all the organs in some state of formation or decay... So that man doesn't have his hip anymore, or this one's heart doesn't work on it's own anymore. So this person is missing a kidney, or that one had it's appendix removed. Because it lacks a few parts it's not human YET or anymore?



what the fuck are you talking about?
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Satu Moreau
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03-30-2006 11:15
From: Kendra Bancroft
what the fuck are you talking about?


What appears to be your standards for "potential" human life. It's reliant on the mother completely. So what? So are many aged people. So they're only "potential" human life?
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03-30-2006 11:18
From: Satu Moreau
What appears to be your standards for "potential" human life. It's reliant on the mother completely. So what? So are many aged people. So they're only "potential" human life?



You have no idea what my standards for anything are --and you clearly have as much concern for my right to define my own standards as you would for my right over my own body.
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03-30-2006 11:19
From: Satu Moreau
What appears to be your standards for "potential" human life. It's reliant on the mother completely. So what? So are many aged people. So they're only "potential" human life?


You're wonderous :)
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Sally Rosebud
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03-30-2006 11:19
From: Satu Moreau
A child is the offspring of two people. No matter the age. I see people all the time look at an adult and say "Oh! You're so and so's kid/child". I believe "toddler" is the term for a child over a year? Before that it's infant, before that it's newborn. All of them refer to babies.


an unborn fetus is not a child

You also conveniently neglected my previous post.

Also, this is not the thread to argue whether you are pro-choice or pro-life, if you'd like to do that go dig up an old one. This thread is SUPPOSED to be about political parties use of pro-choice and pro-life. Did you read the first two posts?
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03-30-2006 11:19
From: Kevn Klein
None right now, that's the point, it's not popular any more. That shows the fact liberals do use it, but only if it helps them win.


Sooo, how many conservatives are using abortion as a platform? I bet they only use it to help them win, too :rolleyes:
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03-30-2006 11:20
From: Kendra Bancroft
You have no idea what my standards for anything are --and you clearly have as much concern for my right to define my own standards as you would for my right over my own body.


Hey, I'm just going by what you set down here in this thread as what you believe to be human life.
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03-30-2006 11:22
From: Satu Moreau
Hey, I'm just going by what you set down here in this thread as what you believe to be human life.



No. You're twisting what I say to serve your own opinions. I would remind you that they are only YOUR opinions and they have nothing to do with what another wishes to do with her own body.

What business is it of your's anyway?
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Sally Rosebud
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03-30-2006 11:27
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Sooo, how many conservatives are using abortion as a platform? I bet they only use it to help them win, too :rolleyes:


OMG Joy, how could you suggest that those perfect, infallable conservatives would do such a thing??? :eek: :rolleyes:
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03-30-2006 11:28
From: Sally Rosebud
:rolleyes:

OMG Joy, how could you suggest that those perfect, infallable conservatives would do such a thing???


Oh hell, did I speak out of line again? :p
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Sally Rosebud
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03-30-2006 11:29
From: Joy Honey
Oh hell, did I speak out of line again? :p


Yes back to the kitchen with you to wait for your man to put you in line! :D
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Kendra Bancroft
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03-30-2006 11:30
From: Joy Honey
Oh hell, did I speak out of line again? :p



Are you having a visit from "Aunt Flo", dear?
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