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04-04-2006 09:25
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I'm taking a break from the forums for a while. All this beating my head against the wall is giving me migraines. :(

Now you know how I feel whenever I read one of your posts.

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This argument is very simple. Both sides are pro-choice, it's just a difference of opinion on at what point in time that choice comes into play as well as a difference in opinion on when life begins.

Nope, wrong again. One side is anti-choice and one side is pro-choice.

From: someone
Anti-abortion: Women (and men) have the choice to decide when to have sex.

Irrelevant to this argument, but OK, yes, you accept the basic facts of reality. Congratulations! Do you also believe the earth is spherical, and rotates around the sun? Welcome to the 19th century!

From: someone
We believe that life begins at or near conception.

And continues right up until they rob a liquor store.

From: someone
In short: We believe the act of abortion is killing babies. Looking at it from that angle, you can see how we could be so passionate.

So why is it bad to kill babies, but OK to kill adults who work at abortion clinics? Riddle me that. I think anti-choice people are passionate because they're fanatics. Like most fanatics, they want to inflict their views on the rest of the world, and don't care what anyone else might think. Pro-choice folks do care what others might think; they're not trying to impose their views on anyone, merely allowing people the freedom of choice. Which is more in line with the Constitution and traditional American values, pray tell?

From: someone
Pro-abortion: .....


I've never met, or heard, of anyone who's pro-abortion, so I have no idea WTF you are talking about. Anyone who uses that phrase has only a simplistic understanding of the issue at best, and an inability to comprehend any view other than their own at worst.

From: someone
I think both sides have part of the answer. Simply making abortions illegal will just send women into the back alleys and certainly cause them great harm and even death. While there will always be those who will resort to such tactics, the best way to reduce these numbers is better sex education, better access to cheap contraceptives, adoption and foster care reform, and a lot more personal responsibility from both sexes.


Wow, something reasonable! Amazing! Too bad it was marred by your silly pro-abortion label, which negates anything intelligent you might ever say on this topic. Your use of that term is not only insulting to those of us who support freedom and choice - basic values of this nation, I might add - but indicates a failure to grasp even the most basic parts of the issue.

Moreover, why is it that it's the so-called "pro-life" people who end up killing the most people? You don't see a lot of pro-choice bombers, do you?
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04-04-2006 09:51
From: Toni Bentham
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Nope, wrong again. One side is anti-choice and one side is pro-choice.

Wrong, one side is pro-human life. The other side is anti-human life unless that human happens to be a fully grown woman who chooses abortion.

From: Toni Bentham
Irrelevant to this argument, but OK, yes, you accept the basic facts of reality. Congratulations! Do you also believe the earth is spherical, and rotates around the sun? Welcome to the 19th century!


......

So very typical of the left fringe, anyone who disagrees with you is still in the dark ages. You are so enlightened. Are you the elite we should follow? We need you to tell us what to think.

From: Toni Bentham
.............. I think anti-choice people are passionate because they're fanatics. Like most fanatics, they want to inflict their views on the rest of the world, and don't care what anyone else might think. Pro-choice folks do care what others might think; they're not trying to impose their views on anyone, merely allowing people the freedom of choice. Which is more in line with the Constitution and traditional American values, pray tell?
Yeah, we want to force our view babies deserve a chance at life. But you don't want to force your view that anyone who opposes the killing of a fetus is a fanatic, right?

I think the constitution supports the protection of human lives, over your opinion is supports your right to do what you want, even if someone has to be killed to make your life more comfortable.



From: Toni Bentham
.................... Too bad it was marred by your silly pro-abortion label, which negates anything intelligent you might ever say on this topic. ......................
This is evidence you ignore anything once you hear the term pro-abortion.

Your bias astounds. You can say we are anti-choice, and that seems reasonable to you. So we can either call your side pro-abortion or anti-life. Don't like it? Too bad.

From: Toni Bentham
Moreover, why is it that it's the so-called "pro-life" people who end up killing the most people? You don't see a lot of pro-choice bombers, do you?
Yeah, like the uni-bomber? Tell us all the pro-life bombings. Where are all these pro-life bombers?

Continue with your left wing fringe propaganda, I'm so used to it.
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04-04-2006 10:00
From: Toni Bentham
Nope, wrong again. One side is anti-choice and one side is pro-choice.


Your mistake is thinking there are only two sides to the issue.

From: Toni Bentham
So why is it bad to kill babies, but OK to kill adults who work at abortion clinics? Riddle me that.


Did he say it was?

From: Toni Bentham
I think anti-choice people are passionate because they're fanatics. Like most fanatics, they want to inflict their views on the rest of the world, and don't care what anyone else might think. Pro-choice folks do care what others might think; they're not trying to impose their views on anyone, merely allowing people the freedom of choice. Which is more in line with the Constitution and traditional American values, pray tell?


From their perspective, you are commiting murder. So, to use your same logic, one side favors murdering people, the other side favors not murdering people. Which do you think is more in line with the Constitution and traditional American values, pray tell?

See how fun it is when we stupidly believe everything is black and white and there are only two extremes of opinion?
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04-04-2006 10:02
From: Kevn Klein
Those stats are your opinion. Or did you post some kind of study/poll to support your opinion?

If we are guessing, I say 50% are pro-life to the point of voting for pro-life candidates. And 35% are pro-abortion enough to vote for pro-abortion candidates. 15% are not interested. That's why the Republicans control the presidency, congress and now the courts.
75% of Americans are above average in intelligence. 82.9% of the people who use "liberal" as an epithet are non-practicing Oedipus wannabes. 42% of Oedipus wannabes will eventually yield to their desires. Only 12% of patricides result in conviction. Nearly 80% of mother-son copulations yield conception; about half of such conceptions are brought to term thus passing on genes for incestuous lust. Most of these conceptions which are brought to term are done because of ideological reasons.

Ergo, in a number of generations, the country will consist primarily of in-bred, moralistic, incestuous, patricidal, self-proclaimed "conservatives" who believe deeply in "family values".

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04-04-2006 10:42
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04-04-2006 10:43
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Your sick


Nice personal attack :)
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04-04-2006 12:54
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75% of Americans are above average in intelligence. ...........................
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Very interesting indeed. Prove it! :D
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04-04-2006 13:13
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Very interesting indeed. Prove it! :D



Calling people dumb now???
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Calling people dumb now???


Its a statistical math thing, Magnum. You know, that whole "logic" thing. As much as it kills me to say it, Kevn's got a point on this one :) Of course, Introvert knew that when he said it, so :)
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04-04-2006 15:31
From: Kevn Klein
Those stats are your opinion. Or did you post some kind of study/poll to support your opinion?

If we are guessing, I say 50% are pro-life to the point of voting for pro-life candidates. And 35% are pro-abortion enough to vote for pro-abortion candidates. 15% are not interested. That's why the Republicans control the presidency, congress and now the courts.

Way to ignore the other 90% of my thread.

Want to try again?

Your statistics were extremely biased from the start.

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Kevn Klein
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Way to ignore the other 90% of my thread.

Want to try again?

Your statistics were extremely biased from the start.

Game over. kthxbyecomeagain

Me? biased? You must be joking! :)
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04-04-2006 18:16
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Me? biased? You must be joking! :)



No hes not and yes you are biased.
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04-05-2006 03:31
From: Kevn Klein
Wrong, one side is pro-human life. The other side is anti-human life unless that human happens to be a fully grown woman who chooses abortion.

Nope, you're still wrong. I'm in favor of human life and abortion rights. I also oppose abortion. What was that? Was that the sound of a small, closed mind I heard exploding with the complexities of my views?

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So very typical of the left fringe, anyone who disagrees with you is still in the dark ages. You are so enlightened. Are you the elite we should follow? We need you to tell us what to think.


So very typical of the right wing, to accuse any who disagrees with them of being the elitist, leftist fringe.

From: someone
Yeah, we want to force our view babies deserve a chance at life. But you don't want to force your view that anyone who opposes the killing of a fetus is a fanatic, right?


Hey, I never wrote either of those things. Nice job making stuff up. I wrote that people who want to impose their view of the female reproductive

From: someone
I think the constitution supports the protection of human lives,

So you're agaist capital punishment then, I assume?

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This is evidence you ignore anything once you hear the term pro-abortion.


That's because only morons use it.

From: someone
Your bias astounds. You can say we are anti-choice, and that seems reasonable to you. So we can either call your side pro-abortion or anti-life. Don't like it? Too bad.


Actually, I wrote it because most people who are "pro-life" are really more anti-choice than anti-abortion. Many "pro-lifers" are against abortion, with certain exceptions - so they're not really against abortion per se, but against people being able to choose abortion. I call that being against choice, therefore anti-choice. Let me know if you want a rewrite of that with smaller words.
But most people who are pro-choice don't want to see abortion happen - but it's probably not worth trying to explain that to you.

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Yeah, like the uni-bomber? Tell us all the pro-life bombings. Where are all these pro-life bombers?

Do you seriously not know anything? Do you ever, like, read the paper? OK, here goes:

FOX News on James Cohn
About.com on Eric Rudolph
Abortion Vigilantes
Newsweek article on Michael Griffin & Paul Hill
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04-05-2006 03:45
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Your mistake is thinking there are only two sides to the issue.

Nice job with the mind-reading, but that's not what I thought at all. I not only think there aren't just two sides, I think there aren't really sides at all.
Interesting way to argue, though, based on what I haven't written. You run with that.

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From their perspective, you are committing murder. So, to use your same logic, one side favors murdering people, the other side favors not murdering people. Which do you think is more in line with the Constitution and traditional American values, pray tell?


Nope, that's not using my logic at all - in fact, that's not using any logic at all, because it's based on an illogical premise. Nice rhetorical attempt there, though. A for effort.

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Did he say it was?

Did I say he said it was? No, I just brought up the topic. A good attempt at misdirection, though. It's relevant because I prefer to have less terrorists agreeing with me. So, again, why is it that so many people against "murder" in the form of abortion have no problem committing murder if they hear the "voice" of god?

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See how fun it is when we stupidly believe everything is black and white and there are only two extremes of opinion?

See how fun it is to pick apart good points based on logical inanities and not actually respond to the issues?
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From: Toni Bentham
Nice job with the mind-reading, but that's not what I thought at all. I not only think there aren't just two sides, I think there aren't really sides at all.
Interesting way to argue, though, based on what I haven't written. You run with that.


I learned from the master...

From: Toni Bentham
Nope, that's not using my logic at all - in fact, that's not using any logic at all, because it's based on an illogical premise. Nice rhetorical attempt there, though. A for effort.


That premise is no more illogical than yours. It just doesn't agree with you this time.

From: Toni Bentham
Did I say he said it was? No, I just brought up the topic. A good attempt at misdirection, though. It's relevant because I prefer to have less terrorists agreeing with me. So, again, why is it that so many people against "murder" in the form of abortion have no problem committing murder if they hear the "voice" of god?


The attempt at misdirection was yours - getting people to answer for the guilt of others is a common tactic I've noticed around here.

From: Toni Bentham
See how fun it is to pick apart good points based on logical inanities and not actually respond to the issues?


I do a better job of it.

Besides, if the logic isn't sound, the point becomes dull - get your logic in order before you try to win an arguement.
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04-05-2006 03:58
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So very typical of the right wing, to accuse any who disagrees with them of being the elitist, leftist fringe.


Holy Irony, bat man!
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04-05-2006 04:04
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Holy Irony, bat man!

Uhh....right. Not really, but whatever.
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Uhh....right. Not really, but whatever.


Now that's funny! :D
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Now that's funny! :D

Seriously, I've totally given up trying to understand you at this point......oh wait. I never tried to understand you. Heck, I don't even understand me! ;)
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04-05-2006 04:53
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Seriously, I've totally given up trying to understand you at this point......oh wait. I never tried to understand you. Heck, I don't even understand me! ;)


Oh, I understand you perfectly. Agree with you? No. Understand? Yes.
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Oh, I understand you perfectly. Agree with you? No. Understand? Yes.

No, you don't. If you understood me you'd agree with me. ;)
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No, you don't. If you understood me you'd agree with me. ;)


Thank god that's not true!
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