Abortion: Putting A Face On The Issue

No, you have always stated *babies*

No, but I would imagine that later term is not as easy.


YOU asked if it was easier.

If Kevn wants to back up his claims, maybe direct action is in order.

Kevn, take your pick from any of a hundred third-world countries. You'll find orphanages with plenty of infants to adopt. How about China? Would you like some girl babies? Half a dozen would be a good start.

But that goes against "his" rules. His criteria only includes newborns born in the US. With no siblings, available NOW. Even though he's not been approved to adopt any humans... I don't know how finding a newborn available for adoption from the US in the US is going to help him any, since he can't adopt it right now. Somehow this criteria has something to do with the abortion in the US, anyone know how?

No, Kevn only wants left handed white newborns who were born in the United States on a Tuesday.

Who is this Kevn you speak of?

I'm not a customer. I'm a manhunter. But I do hunt babies on occasion. I heard tell you got one you can't put your hand to.

I'm not sure... but someone sent me this picture, unverified of course that this is him:



(if someone else sent me this picture and said it was Kevn and I posted it and it isn't Kevn, do I go to hell or something?)

Disregard that last post, it was in far too poor taste, even for me... so I deleted it

Hah! Missed me by 33 years. *whew*

Awwww I missed something......I knew I shouldn't have logged out to spend time with my kids!!! DAMMIT!!!

Okay, I've never donated to a political group before, but this thread has inspired me. Thanks to all the posters here, you've motivated me to action.

If anyone else is interested:
https://secure.ga0.org/02/naral8?qp_source=web%5fnaral

And here we go.

First off, I am using this source: http://encyclopedia.adoption.com/entry/foster-care/144/1.html



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Now this does include newborns as well as infants in the 0-6 age bracket, but it is reasonable that Kendra's question "
What happens to newborns that are abandoned at firehouses or hospitals or police precincts?" is extremely pertinant. They indeed wind up in foster care until they are either later adopted or stay in foster care. I've also read you can pay around $8,500 for professional matching services and obtain a child in as little as 9 months or less. There are apparently a lot of these services and they actively search for women who are becoming mothers and don't intend to keep their children. This practice somewhat disgusts me, but if you're looking for a newborn, you can't really do better than that. You won't find an international newborn as it was quoted as being "exteremely rare" for international adoptions to occur before 6 weeks of age.

Another interesting fact is that more and more children entering foster care are re-entering it after having been placed previously. Apparently, like pets (and kittens), people get tired of children.

Firstly Siro, adoption and fostering are completely different animals as I tried to teach you before. The site you posted should clarify that point with this...

"It should be noted that there is still much confusion in the general public about the difference between an adoptive home and a foster home. An adoptive family has the same parental rights and obligations as a birth family does when the child is born to them. A foster family must defer many decisions about a child's welfare to a state or county social worker. Although a child may remain in a foster home for years as a foster child, the state can (and has) removed foster children for a variety of reasons. An adopted child, however, can only be removed for the same reasons as a birth child."

Now, as for the 0-6 age bracket, 0 is under 1 year old, which could be up to 364 days old, hardly a newborn by any definition. But again, they are talking about FOSTER children, not adoptive newborns.

Ty, and have a nice day. I'm going boating. Bye

Here's a good face for all this abortion drama:

Foster homes are where unwanted newborns go. You have made and continue to make the assertion that there are no unwanted newborns. There are and they go to foster care as I have shown. The difference between foster care and adoption is that foster care is care until someone is adopted. 0-6 does include 0-4 weeks if my basic understanding of inclusive ranges is correct.

So you may now please provide your own information backing up this claim that there are not unwanted newborns (which would directly conflict all information I have found thus far.

Newborns are born into adoptive families.

0 years old is 11 months old, not a newborn. If you say 0-6 years old, you are not saying newborn, though a newborn might be included, isn't not for sure. So don't assume it based on the ages 0-6 years old.

Now, read from your link, it says "An adoptive family has the same parental rights and obligations as a birth family does when the child is BORN to them."

As you can see, when a mother gives up a newborn, the child doesn't go to a foster home, but directly to the adoptive family. If you can show me the list of 2 week old babies on a list to adopt, I might listen to your reasoning. But at this point you provide no evidence there are unwanted newborns in the USA.

Night, have a great evening

I guess those newborns that get put into garbage cans or just left exposed to the elements don't really count, huh? I'm trying so hard to follow Kevn's logic.... I just can't find it in myself to be such a literalist.

the system = foster care btw

http://encyclopedia.adoption.com/entry/foster-care/144/1.html

Not that anyone I care about is paying attention at this late stage, but here's a link with an interesting argument for abortion that assumes that yes, it is a person and you're "killing a baby".

While there are some bits that seem a little off to me, and I'm not saying I agree with it, I think it an intriguing argument that sidesteps the "it's a fetus/it's a baby" argument.

http://www.utdallas.edu/~jfg021000/thomson.html

Kevn, I just wanted point out that you have a wonderful opportunity to help a struggling mom-to-be who doesn't know if she can make rent. Check for the thread under General: Donations . Here's a fetus who needs your help! Oh yeah, there's a woman attached to it, too.

I wholeheartedly agree. And even though you won't be able to adopt the baby (after all, Kevn, you haven't done the required paperwork in order to adopt) because the mom wants to keep the baby - you'll be doing your part to help make sure that baby has shelter. By the way, as soon as I log in, I'm giving her all the Ls I have in my balance - it's not much, but it's all the Ls I have.

Well hell, send me all your old baby stuff

I only have boy stuff

Ok, you can send me one MILLION Lindens and I will buy all pink stuff