Abortion: Putting A Face On The Issue

They did? Which ones? I only thought South Dakota was the only state that passed a law and made it a felony for the doctors (I don't think it's been signed yet, either)? Where is your proof again?

Any doctor who kills human beings for profit or any other reason deserves prison.

Thanks a lot for wasting 15 minutes of my day, troll. you MADE THIS UP.

Please answer this: Where in your extensive debate history did you learn 'to support one's point MAKE UP FACTS' ?

After 33 years of having no say in the matter, I'd say it's a karma thing.

Right.

Mississippi, South Dakota, and Georgia have bills regarding this. NONE have passed both houses of either state at this point.

"Some states this week have passed laws to make abortion a felony for both doctor and woman." is a FUCKING LIE.

This, on the other hand, would be a TRUE statement:

"No states this week have passed laws to make abortion a felony for both doctor and woman."

See the difference, Kevn?

This isn't a debate -- It's another "Kevn has a strong opinion, and will make up false statements to support it" thread. Now that you're officially a FUCKING LIAR I would have to check any statement you made for accuracy. This is a huge waste of my time. I have better things to do with my time than fact-check YOUR BULLSHIT LIES, like flirt with Kendra and Joy and Creami, and maybe stick a pencil in my eye.

Mississippi has a bill that their governor said he would sign even though it has no provision for cases of rape or incest. It was just the other day when I saw that.

I don't remember offhand the specifics of the bill other than it is banning all abortions for that state. I'll go look for a link later.

So only two states, South Dakota and Mississippi, plan on signing bills making abortion illegal at this point in time. With the supreme court ruling on abortion clinics being unable to use the RICO act on protestors, it's going to be interesting to watch.

It is going to be one hell of a trainwreck.

Some states already have laws that that will outlaw abortion on demand when the court overturns Roe.

Also, I believe Missouri is in the precess of creating a strict law against abortion on demand.

The one has no bearing on the other. Your argument isn't logical. What does the fact some children end up in orphanages until 18 have to do with adoption as an alternative to abortion?

Are you saying because some children will end up unadopted at some point, the mother should abort, even though she planned to keep the child, because she may later change her mind, and place the child up for adoption?

It's not a logical deduction.

when the court overturns Roe.

Some states already have laws that that will outlaw abortion on demand when the court overturns Roe.
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and Zuzu of course. Sorry Zuzu! <3

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..... you're officially a FUCKING LIAR....... I have better things to do with my time than fact-check YOUR BULLSHIT LIES, like flirt with Kendra and Joy and Creami, and maybe stick a pencil in my eye.

I'm sorry that you are unable to make the required cognative leap. Let me break it down more simply.

You have claimed that abortion is unneccessary because all children who would otherwise be aborted could be adopted. Or in simple terms: "adoption is an alternative to abortion"

I have shown that if abotion was illegal, some of the children who would have been aborted if it was legal will end up in foster care and never get adopted. For these children, the alternative to abortion has become foster care and not adoption.

Quite clearly adoption does not solve the problem of unwanted children as you had claimed.

When a newborn is up for adoption in the USA she gets adopted. The fact older kids have a harder time getting adopted has no bearing on this issue.

If the newborn was born being wanted by the mother, but later is put up for adoption, it has no bearing on adoption as an alternative to abortion.

We are talking about newborns being wanted. It's a red herring argument to bring older kids into the question of whether there are unwanted newborns in the USA.

The kids you are talking about were not in danger of being aborted, because the mother wanted them.

If the newborn was born being wanted by the mother, but later is put up for adoption, it has no bearing on adoption as an alternative to abortion.

We are talking about newborns being wanted. It's a red herring argument to bring older kids into the question of whether there are unwanted newborns in the USA.

What about a baby born to a mother who wanted abortion, but was guilted out of it by someone like yourself? Then, when the kid starts screaming and misbehaving a few years later, decides she just can't go on being a parent. Or worse, smacks the kid silly until the state steps in and takes him away?

Actions have consequences, often unintended. The action of coercing a woman into carrying a pregnancy to term could have a consequence such as that. You can't say the two aren't unrelated. Not saying that all older kids waiting for adoption fit this scenario, but I have a hard time believing it's not the case for several.

What about a baby born to a mother who wanted abortion, but was guilted out of it by someone like yourself? Then, when the kid starts screaming and misbehaving a few years later, decides she just can't go on being a parent. Or worse, smacks the kid silly until the state steps in and takes him away?

Actions have consequences, often unintended. The action of coercing a woman into carrying a pregnancy to term could have a consequence such as that. You can't say the two aren't unrelated. Not saying that all older kids waiting for adoption fit this scenario, but I have a hard time believing it's not the case for several.

If the newborn was born being wanted by the mother, but later is put up for adoption, it has no bearing on adoption as an alternative to abortion.

We are talking about newborns being wanted. It's a red herring argument to bring older kids into the question of whether there are unwanted newborns in the USA.

LOL I fully understand this one.

My husband wanted me to get an abortion with my daughter, and I said no. So we had her, and then 18 months later we had our son. And now #3 is coming.

And I am trying to figure out how I can sell them on ebay legally. I should have stuck with cats. (Some days I really wish I did stick with cats rofl)

Nope, the mother wanted to abort. She chose raising it herself because she saw that as better than adoption.

You are talking about newborns being wanted, I'm talking about all children. Focusing on newborns only is your way of closing your eyes to the real consequences of an abortion ban.