Abortion: Putting A Face On The Issue

Before we start let me state the exceptions:
1. I believe in the use of the Morning After Pill
2. I believe that abortion should be performed at the mother's discretion if her life is in danger or her health is at serious risk.


These forums are filled with theory and philisophical debates, This is where the Left likes to live-in theory, in the grey areas because everything is ok, everything can be justified...in theory. Abortion is allowed into the ninth month of pregnancy in this country. Indeed until the very day of birth-just so long as the head does not leave the vagina.

Being poor is not an excuse for irresponsibility.

It's easy to talk about waiting longer for a diplomatic solution to Saddam Hussein's tyrranny until you see pictures of the mass graves...until you see footage of what went on in those rape rooms...until you see the pictures of the children's prison.

Then how quickly grey becomes stark black and white when you really know what you're talking about.

Go to a hospital nursery. Look closely at the premature babies. Think about the fact that every one of them could have been killed instead.


There are those who will not be swayed by what they read or see here and it is my belief that they are truly without morals. The fact is, there are some acts which by their very nature are so reprehensible, so appalling, so evil as to fall under a universal definition of wrong.

Look through these pictures, look closely. And then try to tell me that this is anything but murder.

When you say you're pro-choice, this is what you're voting for. This is what you're fighting for. This is what they won't tell you. This is what they won't show you. This is the face of abortion.

And this why I will never stop fighting for an end to this self-inflicted genocide.

-Kiamat Dusk

From the London Times
Fifty babies a year are alive after abortion

In the past decade, doctors’ skill in saving the lives of premature babies has improved radically: at least 70%-80% of babies in their 23rd or 24th week of gestation now survive long-term.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-1892696,00.html

Partial Birth Abortion
So-called "Partial-birth" abortion is performed in the second and third trimesters and entails (1) inducing a breech delivery with forceps, (2) delivering the legs, arms and torso only, (3) puncturing the back of the skull with scissors or a trochar, (4) inserting a suction curette into the skull, (4) suctioning the contents of the skull so as to collapse it, (5) completing the delivery. A partial breech delivery is not considered a "birth" at common law, where it is the passage of the head that is essential.
-This is what happens when you live in the grey areas. Sure the baby could live a full, healthy life if fully delivered, but as long as the head stays in the vagina it's not murder. Let's be clear. They induce labor, the baby, who would otherwise be able to live is delivered up to its neck, then a "doctor" reaches in, jabs a syphon into its skull, sucks the brains out, then finishes the delivery. And this is a right?!
http://members.aol.com/abtrbng/pbal.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intact_dilation_and_extraction
http://www.answers.com/topic/intact-dilation-and-extraction

Saline Abortion:
Most often used after the first trimester (first three months). The abortionist injects a strong salt solution directly into the amniotic sac (fluid surrounding the baby). The baby breathes and swallows it, is poisoned, struggles, and sometimes convulses. It takes over an hour to kill the baby. The mother delivers the dead baby in a day or two (sometimes alive!). Why "candy apple" babies? The corrosive effect of the salt solution often burns and strips away the outer layer of the baby's skin. This exposes the raw, red, glazed-looking subcutaneous layer of tissue. The baby's head sometimes looks like a candy apple. Some have also likened this method to the effect of napalm on innocent war victims. This technique was originally developed in the concentration camps in Nazi Germany. (source: Abortion and Social Justice, NY: Sheed & Ward, 1972) Read about Gianna Jessen, who survived a salt poisoning abortion.
http://www.abortiontv.com/Pics/AbortionPictures1.htm
(video on this site as well)

Suction Abortion:
The abortionist first paralyzes the cervix (womb opening). He then inserts a hollow plastic tube with a knife-like tip into the uterus. The tube is connected to a powerful pump with a suction force 29 times more powerful than a home vacuum cleaner. The procedure tears the baby's body into pieces and the hose frequently jerks as pieces of the baby become lodged. The placenta is then cut from the inner wall of the uterus and the scraps are sucked out into a bottle.
http://www.abortiontv.com/Methods/themanyways.htm

Photos: First Trimester
http://www.priestsforlife.org/resources/photosbyage/index.htm

Photos: Second and Third Trimester
http://www.priestsforlife.org/resources/photosassorted/index.htm

Photos: Fetal Development
http://www.priestsforlife.org/resources/development/index.htm#thumbnails

The morning after pill causes cancer, and people aren't even paying attention to alternative methods such as Natrural Family Planning or Abstinence.
That's what the drug industry isn't telling you.
Many people who work at abortion clinics don't even consider the fact that heavy amounts of hormones cause cancer, and hand out birth control like candy day after day to many oversexed teens. Many of them also could not tell me a single fact about Natural Family Planning, and skip over the topic of alternative methods entirely when going through their itenerary with "patients".
And they make themselves seem like they are your friend, which disgusts me ... We are creating an epidemic of cervical cancer much like how smoking through the 60's and 70's caused lung cancer.
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And I am with the camp that believes that abortions should never be performed unless the mother and baby will both die otherwise.

I agree. I used to be friends with a girl about 8 years ago who thought it was A-OK to use abortions as her 'birth control' after she went whoring around. She wouldn't use any standard birth control such as pills or condoms, etc as she didn't want to be bothered with any of that. I knew her for 2 years and she had at least 3 abortions that I knew of during that time and I know she had one when she had been in high school. I could no longer be friends with someone who had no regard for life and could not even take simple steps to prevent pregnancy.

I have however, heard through the grapevine that she has been trying to have children to no avail...hmm I wonder why?

Okay, I looked at all the links and have seen many of these images before and I say:

Abortion should be safe.
Abortion should be legal
Abortion should be extremely rare

I agree with you 100 %!

What does being poor have to do with anything? I would suggest more middle class Americans exercise their right to have an abortion than the economic lower class.



The war in Iraq has nothing to do with Saddam and his torture rooms. If this were the case then we would have ousted Idi Amin when he was in power. The Khmer Rouge in their day makes Saddam look like happy fun boy. The US has not fought tyrants since WW2. The next time you fill your gas tank you'll know why were at war in Iraq.

Talk about tyrants and killing babies, have you ever bought anything from China? If you own a computer I would guess yes.

Thanks for supporting baby killers hypocrite.

There is a name for people that practice Natural Family Planning: Parents

I do agree many drugs have serious side affects that are either unknown or downplayed.

My stance on abortion is I have no stance. I feel it is a womans issue and her right to choose.

Pictures of dead mutilated people has done little to stop war, capital punishment, crushing poverty.

Abortions actually do help prevent all of the above.

Abstinence is fine, but not if it stops after marriage.

People is the problem.

http://www.vhemt.org/

http://www.vhemt.org/cancer.mov

http://www.vhemt.org/fertco.mov

http://www.vhemt.org/stork.mov

Lest you forget the alternative, this is what it looks like when abortions are made unsafe and illegal.

Abortion is the primary cause of lag in SL. Didn't know that, eh?

Wow, the Left likes to live in theory? Have you looked at Iraq lately? The neo-cons' grand "Let's Bring Democracy to the Middle East" theory has failed miserably. Take a look at the national deficit, the "supply-side" economic theory has nearly bankrupted us. The Left's stand on abortion isn't theory, it's principle. The government has no business involving itself in private medical matters between a woman and her doctor.

Keep government out of our private lives. It's a simple principle. For the Right, "less government" means fewer controls on corporations, more pollution, more financial scandals. The Right calls for "less government" at the same time it calls for regulation of adults' sex lives, interference in private medical decisions, and morality laws regulating everything from films to books in libraries.

It doesn't matter whether you like abortion or not. It doesn't matter whether you find it morally repugnant or not. It doesn't matter whether you are saddened, or outraged, or angry, or whatever. It's simply none of your business.

Yawn.

No one has a right to tell anyone how to manage their own bodies...

No one.

Do you have the right to tell someone how to live their life?

No.

Put we DO have the right to end the lives of those deemed guilty of a crime.

Thank God.

fixed the link for you, I was getting rerouted to microsoft.com...

Yikes, thanks. Fixed in the original, too.

hehe, at first I tought it might be a Mac people's joke

This thread makes me hungry.

And there we have it. The lines clearly drawn. As for the whole BS "it's not your body" argument, it's fair to say that it's not the mother's body either. The baby is a distinct individual. The fact that you can condone this on any level speaks volumes. But I never expected to convert the hardcore. The people in the grey live in a world without morals, without ethics, and without conscience.

This thread is for the people who really just don't know. Who've heard both sides of the argument but have never really seen what was being argued.

-Kiamat Dusk

I like Poland's take...for the most part. In Poland you can get an abortion only in the case of rape/incest or there is a risk of death to the mother.

I would only include risk of serious, permanent injury to the mother as well.

That would satisfy your safe, legal, and rare qualifications.

-Kiamat Dusk

That's rather like saying we shouldn't need seatbelts or airbags or well designed alloy frames because people are ignoring being better drivers.

While it's certainly true that an inch of care would go a mile in helping prevent both car accidents and unwanted pregnancies, it's not the whole of the solution in either case.

-Kiamat Dusk

It's a parasite, in the strictest medical sense. It may one day become a baby, but the "life starts in the womb!" argument is confusing acorns with oaks. (Not that it being alive is necessarily a barrier; we kill plants and animals routinely in order that we may stay alive, after all.)

In any case, my view is not dissimilar to Lazarus Long's. Some may say it is better to be be born and die than to have never had a life at all, no matter how short, miserable, and unloved... and I cannot say much against that opinion. But I don't have to like it, and I don't. There is misery enough in the world without adding to it.

you are so going to hell

give the cells the dignity of life without resorting to namecalling

Parasite isn't bad, though. We rely on a number of parasites in our intestines, for example.

It's just that this particular parasite doesn't help digest food